The Red Poppy
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The Red Poppy
Trouble is, at my age, your opinion tends to be regarded as a tad old fashioned … not to mention fossilized.
I disagree with the decision to include “all civilians affected by conflict or terrorism” in regard to the red poppy being used as an act of remembrance. To my mind, the poppy commemorates those who died actively fighting for their country (without regard to the political decisions that resulted in conflict).
However, I would be interested in the opinions of current members of the armed forces; the views of whom perhaps reflect more “up to date” thinking.
I disagree with the decision to include “all civilians affected by conflict or terrorism” in regard to the red poppy being used as an act of remembrance. To my mind, the poppy commemorates those who died actively fighting for their country (without regard to the political decisions that resulted in conflict).
However, I would be interested in the opinions of current members of the armed forces; the views of whom perhaps reflect more “up to date” thinking.
I hear what you're saying, I think - It's to commemorate those who fought the good fight rather than those who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Trouble with that is - How do you differentiate between, for example, civilians who chose to stay in the cities and face the blitz in order to keep the country running or put out the fires vs conscripts who given any choice might not have been fighting at all? A victim of war is a victim of war.
For me - Remembrance is a personal thing. What it means to me is what it means to me. What it means to someone else is up to them and does not affect how i feel on the 11th day of the 11th month (or any other day for that matter) unless they are being openly disrespectful (which i don't think this is).
There are enough arguments going on in the world right now - I don't see the need for this one.
All the best!
OH
Trouble with that is - How do you differentiate between, for example, civilians who chose to stay in the cities and face the blitz in order to keep the country running or put out the fires vs conscripts who given any choice might not have been fighting at all? A victim of war is a victim of war.
For me - Remembrance is a personal thing. What it means to me is what it means to me. What it means to someone else is up to them and does not affect how i feel on the 11th day of the 11th month (or any other day for that matter) unless they are being openly disrespectful (which i don't think this is).
There are enough arguments going on in the world right now - I don't see the need for this one.
All the best!
OH
No argument from me, other than about the ever earlier Poppy Twitcher sightings each year. The British Legion, who administer the Poppy Appeal, declare on their site that on Remembrance Sunday:-
As to the Poppy Appeal itself:-
Their Fund so their call to my mind, though I once replied to a German Air Stewardess's question as to, "Why are you wearing that flower?", that it was to remember the dead of all wars. Upon reflection that still works for me, though it was simply being politick at the time. 
You pays your money and you makes your choice...
https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/get...d/remembrance/
Starting at 11am, the service honours the service and sacrifice of our Armed Forces community, the British and Commonwealth veterans, the Allies that fought alongside us and the civilian servicemen and women involved in the two World Wars and later conflicts.
Poppies are worn as a show of support for the Armed Forces community.
You pays your money and you makes your choice...
https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/get...d/remembrance/
I agree with the sentiment of OvertHawk , for me the poppy is s sign of remembrance for those that gave their lives for the country, be they civilian, military or whatever. While it may have started as a way of remembering war dead, we've been in far too many conflicts that have not been "war" that we're in danger of losing sight of those who've given their lives since WWII. Personally, I use it as a day to remember friends and colleagues who perished in both NI and FI.
The only thing I don't like, is the white poppy
The only thing I don't like, is the white poppy
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"Remembrance is a personal thing."
Indeed. Some of us may wish to remember their fallen comrades away from the mass herd instinct (and those hypocrites that are politicians) who wear their poppy as nothing more the dress code of the day.
Indeed. Some of us may wish to remember their fallen comrades away from the mass herd instinct (and those hypocrites that are politicians) who wear their poppy as nothing more the dress code of the day.
I've always worn mine to particulary commemorate my great grandfather, a soldier who died in WW1 and my uncle, a merchant seaman lost due to enemy action in WW2. Later conflicts tend to be on anniversaries rather than 11/11
But I've stood at war memorials which honour both service personnel, civillians killed on active duty (Merchant Navy, Fire services etc) and civillians killled as a result of enemy action (local air raids).
What I do find distasteful is both the 'oppy police' demanding everyones wears a poppy, and the obvious placement of poppies on everyone appearing on TV shows to prevent them
But I've stood at war memorials which honour both service personnel, civillians killed on active duty (Merchant Navy, Fire services etc) and civillians killled as a result of enemy action (local air raids).
What I do find distasteful is both the 'oppy police' demanding everyones wears a poppy, and the obvious placement of poppies on everyone appearing on TV shows to prevent them
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I think it's fair to designate the poppy as commemorating all those who fell in conflicts. Sacrifice after all, has many faces.
There was a buffoon on another site recently ranting that only those who'd been shot at were true veterans.
A quick check showed he'd been on 31sqn during GW1 and had been on the receiving end of s few Scuds. About the same as your average Israeli Grandmother then.
There was a buffoon on another site recently ranting that only those who'd been shot at were true veterans.
A quick check showed he'd been on 31sqn during GW1 and had been on the receiving end of s few Scuds. About the same as your average Israeli Grandmother then.
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Have a heart Tash, he was on 31 Sqn, so he should be pittied. 
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And the press/ newsreaders/ general dogbodies pertaining to be experts etc who get berated on TV if they don't, that is sort of wrong and degrades the meaning behind it, to have a producer slap one on them to be seen to conform, loses the meaing behind it all..
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Poppies have appeared on lamp posts around my area in the last few days - a month in advance. I appreciate the council's desire to ensure people recognise and respect Remembrance Day but as with Christmas it is creeping slowly forward and dilutes focus on the day itself.
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Poppies have appeared on lamp posts around my area in the last few days - a month in advance. I appreciate the council's desire to ensure people recognise and respect Remembrance Day but as with Christmas it is creeping slowly forward and dilutes focus on the day itself.
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I am always surprised about how picky we can be when remembrance or commemoration is involved. One such is the seeming lack of appreciation for the guys and girls on the ground who kept the Spits and Hurricanes in the air during the Battle of Britain and gave their lives in the process. Not all were in the military and I am reminded in particular of two GPO engineers who were killed whilst reconnecting the vital telephone line between a Battle of Britain airfield to Fighter Command HQ. I will happily wear my poppy for them and all the others who gave their lives in order to stop me having to live under the Nazi cosh.
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who are/were
............................ the civilian servicemen and women ...................
Is that not a contradiction in terms?
Or is it police, fire, ambulance, RWVS, Merchant Navy, Boy Scouts and Girl Guide messengers, ?
............................ the civilian servicemen and women ...................
Is that not a contradiction in terms?
Or is it police, fire, ambulance, RWVS, Merchant Navy, Boy Scouts and Girl Guide messengers, ?
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As far as I'm concerned, I wear a Poppy to remember all those who died in armed conflict throughout the ages. It is not a political gesture as far as I'm concerned, just something to focus my mind on and think of all those who have passed on in such terrible times.
Army Mover,
I have to agree with you, I wear a Poppy (generally from 4 Nov.) for the same reasons and as a mark of respect for my Father & Grandfather (both world wars) and for all those who have given their lives for this Country in war-time, be they civilian or military (NB - for this Country!). We should ignore the politicians (by and large) and certainly the TV "people" who seem to compete in who is first! As for White poppies - my only comment is that (at the moment!) we are a free country - for reasons go to Line 1 !
Bill
I have to agree with you, I wear a Poppy (generally from 4 Nov.) for the same reasons and as a mark of respect for my Father & Grandfather (both world wars) and for all those who have given their lives for this Country in war-time, be they civilian or military (NB - for this Country!). We should ignore the politicians (by and large) and certainly the TV "people" who seem to compete in who is first! As for White poppies - my only comment is that (at the moment!) we are a free country - for reasons go to Line 1 !
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Wearing a Poppy
Alongside my former service, I've also been active with the Legion for a fair few years. There is only one 'rule' and that is too wear your poppy with pride.
Everything else is a personal choice.
Everything else is a personal choice.
I'm way out of step. I wear mine in remembrance of all those who fell (especially those in the fighting services who were killed in action) but also as a sign of respect to all of those who volunteered and served in pretty well any capacity - even if they were lucky enough to survive the experience. Both of my Grandfathers fought on the Western Front in the Great War, and both survived it, though being gassed (and wounded badly enough to be hospitalised about a dozen times) meant that the remainder of my paternal grandfather's life was short and painful and a Military Medal was no real compensation, and I wear my Poppy in memory of them. And of my Dad, who lost his front teeth when his Lib crash-landed on Sumburgh, but who then lived for 64 years after VE Day, seeing action in several small wars thereafter!
And because it's ok for the Poppy to mean different things to different wearers, we really don't need white ones.
And because it's ok for the Poppy to mean different things to different wearers, we really don't need white ones.
we really don't need white ones.
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They are for peace and to show one is a pacifist I believe whilst still showing your support and respecting those that paid the ultimate sacrifice.
Why are they selling poppies mother, selling poppies in town today?
The poppies child are flowers of love for the men who marched away.
But why have they chosen a poppy mother, why not a beautiful rose?
Because my child, men fought and died in fields where the poppies grow.
But why are the poppies so red mother, why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child, the blood that our soldiers shed.
The heart of the poppy is black mother, why does it have to be black?
Black, my child, is the symbol of grief, for the men who never came back
But why, mother dear, are you crying so?
Your tears are like winter rain.
My tears are for you, my child, for the world is forgetting again.
The poppies child are flowers of love for the men who marched away.
But why have they chosen a poppy mother, why not a beautiful rose?
Because my child, men fought and died in fields where the poppies grow.
But why are the poppies so red mother, why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child, the blood that our soldiers shed.
The heart of the poppy is black mother, why does it have to be black?
Black, my child, is the symbol of grief, for the men who never came back
But why, mother dear, are you crying so?
Your tears are like winter rain.
My tears are for you, my child, for the world is forgetting again.
