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Old 1st Sep 2019, 16:38
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My my, lots of 'White Knights' on here! Dry your eyes ladies. I have worked with lots of women while I was in, some good, some bad, but not one of them ever needed to be the centre of attention for a TV programme or be filmed talking to kids and getting special attention for their gender. That bit was cringeworthy...
quite right too. We should cloister them away otherwise they get ideas above their station.

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Old 1st Sep 2019, 17:15
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My my, lots of 'White Knights' on here! Dry your eyes ladies. I have worked with lots of women while I was in, some good, some bad, but not one of them ever needed to be the centre of attention for a TV programme or be filmed talking to kids and getting special attention for their gender. That bit was cringeworthy...
Jeez, so relieved you are no longer with us.

Did it ever occur to you that female recruiting is a high priority as there aren't many joining (probably because of the perception of attitudes like yours) and so showing her talking to potential female recruits (who cares what clothes they wore or what fools might try to deduce about their religion from their clothes) might further help the cause.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by just another jocky
Jeez, so relieved you are no longer with us.

Did it ever occur to you that female recruiting is a high priority as there aren't many joining (probably because of the perception of attitudes like yours) and so showing her talking to potential female recruits (who cares what clothes they wore or what fools might try to deduce about their religion from their clothes) might further help the cause.
Positive discrimination is very important in the short term, it means that what is currently perceived as a deviation from the normal does not have to be so and that such aspirations are not unusual and are attainable by groups who would otherwise perhaps feel disadvantaged.
That said IMHO there should be no change of standards required to meet quotas. It is those very standards that inspire and that everyone who is attracted to our profession strive to achieve and maintain.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 18:24
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Jeez, so relieved you are no longer with us.

Did it ever occur to you that female recruiting is a high priority as there aren't many joining (probably because of the perception of attitudes like yours) and so showing her talking to potential female recruits (who cares what clothes they wore or what fools might try to deduce about their religion from their clothes) might further help the cause.
Whatever. Grow up.

So by that rationale, my sons could watch the one piece of the programme that discusses recruiting and they should infer that the Forces are only really interested in women and minorities? What a way to inspire ALL young people...
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 20:13
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Given that the vast majority of the Services are male, I doubt your sons need any positive role models to join.

And of course, the other 4 (of 5) pilots featured were also male. So I’m sure they’d cope.
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Originally Posted by Training Risky

The programme is good overall, despite the pandering to the female stude and all her guff about being female aircrew for the muslim schoolgirls.
Sexist attitudes like that are exactly why the RAF needs to engage with women. Currently 14% of the RAF are female (which is better than the other services), with aircrew being a far lower percentage, and that's despite having had female aircrew for 30 odd years.

You might want to look up 'Self - sabotage' and 'Imposter syndrome'. Research indicates that, owing to sexist societal values, it affects more women than men.

It's attitudes like yours that reinforce female self-doubt, attitudes that belong in the 1950s, attitudes which have no place in the 21st Century.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 14:30
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What has happened to the training system? Nine years to Valley, WTFO? I started on my first Jag sqn 30 months after starting IOT...

As for calling the instructors mate - I blame the Brüggen Jag ‘mates’ - some of them couldn’t remember their own names never mind anyone else’s; hence everyone was ‘mate’. Might even have been Andy S who started it all!

The F35 looks quite a good piece of kit but I thought that, as the iPod generation jet, only those under 30 would be able to operate it effectively. Most of the candidates have about a year’s productive service before they will have to move on ��. Hopefully the designers have taken into account Putin’s EMP weapon (I believe I saw the glow over space city in Khazakstan many 100s of miles south of my track one dark night).
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:55
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ISTR I read a piece in the press recently about the lady pilot and they reported that she is married to a pilot for one of the budget airlines. Intriguingly, I wonder what they talk about at the end of the day?
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You left the toilet seat up again....
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"I've told you a thousand times. That's not a toilet seat; it's the upper fan door"
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 16:57
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It’s all very good to encourage the ladies but what the percentages overlook is the fact Ive know very few ladies who are actually interested in aircraft and all the technical stuff that comes with it, and there is not much you can do about that besides press ganging .
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Originally Posted by Meester proach
It’s all very good to encourage the ladies but what the percentages overlook is the fact Ive know very few ladies who are actually interested in aircraft and all the technical stuff that comes with it, and there is not much you can do about that besides press ganging .
Up until relatively recently female expectations were culturally conditioned and they still are, but to a lesser extent. In the short term positive discrimination can change that culture of expectation. You will then find more females willing to express interest knowing that they can achieve what were stereotypical male roles.
This may not be popular amongst what you see as 'ladies' but it is progress towards equality of opportunity and achievement.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Training Risky
Whatever. Grow up.
It doesn't take anything from me for you to show yourself up.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 18:44
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On the brighter side, sent one of the next generation first solo today, also another last week. They're brighter, more motivated to be better, fitter and generally more highly qualified than me and others way back when. How they stay motivated in the current climate beats me but I salute them and am very envious of the wonderful aircraft they have yet to master.
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Beardy-just a small point, positive discrimination is illegal; positive action is not.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 21:06
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You left the toilet seat up again....
Interestingly, telling your other half that she left the toilet seat down again gets little sympathy :-(
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 21:20
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Beardy-just a small point, positive discrimination is illegal; positive action is not.
Thank you for that, my mistake.
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Whatever the ins and outs of the previous posts, when I left the Typhoon force 5 years ago, there were already 2 female drivers......and total warriors they were too....
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In view of all the above, I think we should all be grateful to Miss Shilling … just saying ...
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by just another jocky
On the brighter side, sent one of the next generation first solo today, also another last week. They're brighter, more motivated to be better, fitter and generally more highly qualified than me and others way back when. How they stay motivated in the current climate beats me but I salute them and am very envious of the wonderful aircraft they have yet to master.
Isn't the Typhoon force expanding JAJ? Room for another experienced pilot maybe?
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