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New book - 'Red 5' - An investigation ...

Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:53
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New book - 'Red 5' - An investigation ...

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‘Red 5 - An investigation into the death of Flight Lieutenant Sean Cunningham’

A new book by David Hill, author of “Their Greatest Disgrace” (Chinook ZD576) and more recently “Breaking the Military Covenant” (Who speaks for the Dead ?)

Now available on Kindle for £3.99 (or similar in $US) from the usual watercourse. All proceeds to charity as usual.

The book explains in compelling detail, how this fatal accident came to happen and how Martin-Baker came to be prosecuted. It tells how the MoD allowed maintenance techniques to develop, that were specifically prohibited by Martin-Baker. It shows that the MoD declined to acquire simple seat modifications that would reduce or remove risk to aircrew. It shows the long trail of evidence (from 1952) which the MoD denied ever having received, which proved M-B was in the clear.

The rest of this sorry ‘judicial process’ dismissed or ignored the evidence, and Martin-Baker and their defence lawyers inexplicably failed to use it. To nearly everyone’s benefit there was thus no trial to expose and record these repeat mis-deeds by the MoD.

There are as usual, no explanations so far forthcoming from the many agencies complicit in diverting attention from the truth and perverting the course of justice, after yet another tragic and avoidable service death.

I respectfully suggest ‘Red 5’ should be compulsory reading for everyone who bravely risks their valuable backsides on any Martin-Baker ejector seat that has been procured and ‘serviced’ under the auspices of the UK Ministry of Defence.

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Old 15th Aug 2019, 18:27
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Good post LFH. That the MOD lies, obfuscates, and misleads should come as no surprise to those who have read the numerous fatal air accident threads on this forum. That other agencies and services should render themselves complicit in the MOD's misdeeds raises questions that go far beyond the lack of airworthiness of Sean Cunningham's aircraft and ejection seat.

There is something rotten in the state. If it can pervert justice to the extent that David Hill's book indicates then anyone can be its next target. MBA may be content to take this hit. After all, they remain at Chalgrove selling their ejection seats. Does that make it right?
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 21:18
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I'd still like to know why M-B were happy to take the rap when everything pointed to them being in the clear.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 22:05
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Guaranteed future military contracts, possibly?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 06:34
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Were they not guaranteed anyway? Does anyone know what proportion of the global off take goes to the RAF/ MoD?
I would have thought that failure to stick up for oneself was pretty risky.
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Orca -
Does anyone know what proportion of the global off take goes to the RAF/ MoD ?
From the M-B website ... News & Events - Martin-Baker

"Martin-Baker has over 17,000 ejection seats in service around the world today, fitted to 54 different aircraft types in 84 different countries. These programmes have consisted of both newly designed seats as well as seats already in production being fitted to brand-new aircraft, but also being fitted to existing aircraft."

500th F-35 seat delivered in March. 2000th seat for JPATS (T-6) last December

I don't think MoD gets a look in with those numbers. They could always try sulking and buy elsewhere - I'm told the Russians do very good ejector seats these days.

So it's still a mystery - or a conspiracy ....

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Orca -

From the M-B website ... News & Events - Martin-Baker

"Martin-Baker has over 17,000 ejection seats in service around the world today, fitted to 54 different aircraft types in 84 different countries. These programmes have consisted of both newly designed seats as well as seats already in production being fitted to brand-new aircraft, but also being fitted to existing aircraft."

500th F-35 seat delivered in March. 2000th seat for JPATS (T-6) last December

I don't think MoD gets a look in with those numbers. They could always try sulking and buy elsewhere - I'm told the Russians do very good ejector seats these days.

So it's still a mystery - or a conspiracy ....

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Even more mysterious why they wouldn't defend their reputation of the MoD is a minor customer. Waiting to see if a gong or seat in the House of Lords is announced.
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Reputational damage is a BIG thing in the corporate world. Today, with the impact of social media, it can be highly damaging commercially when the tales hit the www.

It would seem that this was not an issue for MB nor its legal representatives.

As has been said before, quite odd indeed.

Perhaps they are happy to sit back on the "lessons will be learnt" mantra and keep the $$$ coming in?
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Chalgrove Airfield was planned to be given over completely to residential development for 3500 homes prior to the HSE v MBA court case. Subsequent to the case this has been modified to 3000 homes and MBA can remain on site.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...of_the_land_at

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17...-be-submitted/

https://www.slideshare.net/Chalgrove...october-update

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Now thrive the armourers.
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lb, I would strongly advise such armourers to double check the length of the spoon handle with which they might have supped when reaching any solemn and binding undertakings, as well as the material it was made of. Wooden spoons don't count, and hence would render any such agreement null and void.
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Martin-Baker and London Chalgrove Airport

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Martin-Baker and London Chalgrove Airport ?


Blackfriar -
Waiting to see if a gong or seat in the House of Lords is announced.
In 2016 (as Chugalug kindly observes above) ownership of Chalgrove transferred from MoD to the Homes & Communities Agency who seemed set to evict Martin-Baker in favour of 3500 homes. On 1st Jan 2018, right in the middle of the trial, the HCA was re-titled Homes England, with the same address, Chairman and CEO etc.

By March 2018 after M-B unexpectedly reversed their plea and were fined £1.1m, Homes England were publicly consulting on their new (ie modified) plan. This included Chalgrove New Market Town, reduced to only 3000 homes and three schools on part of the airfield.

More relevant to this thread, Martin-Baker would be allowed to keep part of the airfield, and someone would build an entirely new runway (26 – approx 5400 ft) on the north side of the field.

So there might be no gongs or peerages for a year or so, but Martin-Baker would get the benefit of security of tenure for their long-established factory and a brand new runway. Perhaps spitting up £1.1 mil and keeping schtumm was a small price to pay.

https://www.chalgroveairfield.com/en/homepage.php

For more detail - https://estatecreate-storage.s3.amaz...vD2h384xFrE%3D

Caveats - As far as I can see, all this ‘development’ is still only at proposal and consultation stage. No actual planning application has yet been submitted and it’s currently stalled while the ‘emerging’ South Oxon DC Local Plan is with the Housing Minister for approval - Its ‘progress’ is shown here - Local Plan 2034 - South Oxfordshire District Council

Would a brand new runway get past the public (who don’t seem to have noticed it yet) or past the South Oxfordshire Planning Committee or even a public inquiry ? Would the Minister dare to call it in and give it forced approval ?

If there were to be no new runway, Martin-Baker would presumably want to retain use of the current runway 31, not just for their two Meteors, but for their corporate operations and for customers. What leverage then ?

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