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US Coast Guard Captures Drug Sub

Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:58
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US Coast Guard Captures Drug Sub

Our Coast Guard does some very interesting work.

They conduct blue water drug interdiction ops and have begun to target "narco subs" with some success.

Watching the video I get the impression we have some pretty good men and women serving with the Coast Guard.

This is the result of intelligence gathering, aerial surveillance, and surface operations.....one guy jumping onto the hull of the fleeing Sub.


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Old 12th Jul 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Our Coast Guard does some very interesting work.

They conduct blue water drug interdiction ops and have begun to target "narco subs" with some success.

Watching the video I get the impression we have some pretty good men and women serving with the Coast Guard.

This is the result of intelligence gathering, aerial surveillance, and surface operations.....one guy jumping onto the hull of the fleeing Sub.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4uJNjeQDOw
Bet he filled in the form for a risk assessment etc (NOT) and then thought, lets just do it, fall off and get picked up, stop it and its Miller time for a while. No doubt everybody thinking Wow what a hero, he thinking TF it stopped before I fell off. Good stop and kudos to the Coasties.

Where does remit of what is CG and Navy responsibility change ?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 18:20
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Coast Guard does Law Enforcement in addition to its other duties as in peace time it is part of the Homeland Security Department (DHS)....formerly a US Treasury organization.

In War Tine...they are opcon to the US Navy.

The Navy does not do law enforcement ops per se.

Drug Interdiction is a multi-agency effort....CIA/DEA/ICE/USCG/USN.
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Watching that video brought to mind the fake? statistic that US fireman had 10 x the death rate than European firemen. Something to do with a hero complex.
Why put yourself at risk like that? Was the guy wearing a life-jacket? Surely better to fire a few rounds through the hull to stop the guy from diving and avoid needlessly risking your own life ?
Having said that, he deserves admiration for having balls of steel.
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Where does remit of what is CG and Navy responsibility change ?
There's not a hard line. There's an overlap. A variety of MOUs and CONOPS are in place to cover as many cases as can be predicted.
As an example: we had a LE det on our Cruiser. (About 30 years ago).
Most of the time, we were steaming regular Navy Ops. Now and again we'd get a radio call from the JTF for drug enforcement (as SASless notes, a multi agency task force) and we'd run up the Coast Guard Flag.
The guy in charge of the LE det was now Captain (more or less) a fact which used to piss off our Captain no end.
And then we'd go and pull over a boat that we'd been cued to chase down.

As to this particular case: nice job.
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Could they not afford a loudhailer?
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to stop the guy from diving and avoid needlessly risking your own life ?
Most of the narco subs are not able to dive. They just have a very low profile and are hard to detect.
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Watching that video brought to mind the fake? statistic that US fireman had 10 x the death rate than European firemen. .
That statistic really got me interested. Checking the UK statistics there were 66 UK fire fighter fatalities between 1986 and 2014. Let’s say 2.4 per year. In the same period in the USA there were 3211 fire fighter deaths (inc. 340 fire fighters at the World Trade Centre) so about 115 per year. As the population of the UK is very approximately 4 times less than USA the statistic seems to stand up, at least as far as the UK rather than EU is concerned.
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2019 to date.....25 Firefighters killed in the United States out of 1.1 Million fire fighters.

https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/firefighter-fatalities/

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Don't disagree. I can't post links but if you use google my data comes nfpa fire fighter fatalities in the USA and gov uk firefighter fatalities FOI response. I stand to be corrected but I think there have been no UK fatalities so far this year. It would seem to be an issue that deserves attention.
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Coast Guard does Law Enforcement in addition to its other duties as in peace time it is part of the Homeland Security Department (DHS)....formerly a US Treasury organization.
Actually, before DHS USCG was under the Department of Transportation.

i think you may have to go back to Hamilton’s day to find a Treasury connection (when they were originally known as Revenue Cutters).




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True....but also we could go back to the Lifeboat Service (the rowed kind) and Light House Keepers too.
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Quite an impressive video - tho I'd have dropped a depth charge some distance away to get their attention.....................

Just shows how much money you can make shipping drugs into the USA Iguess
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Watching that video brought to mind the fake? statistic that US fireman had 10 x the death rate than European firemen. Something to do with a hero complex.
Why put yourself at risk like that? Surely better to fire a few rounds through the hull.
If we show mindless bravery by jumping onto a moving boat (gasp !) we are foolhardy yahoos.

If we “put a few rounds in the hull” we are trigger happy yahoos.

If we let them escape we are incompetent yahoos.

Welcome to the lens through which we are viewed.
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Surely better to fire a few rounds through the hull to stop the guy from diving and avoid needlessly risking your own life ?
It cant dive, its a semi submersible
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
Watching that video brought to mind the fake? statistic that US fireman had 10 x the death rate than European firemen. Something to do with a hero complex.
Why put yourself at risk like that? Was the guy wearing a life-jacket? Surely better to fire a few rounds through the hull to stop the guy from diving and avoid needlessly risking your own life ?
Having said that, he deserves admiration for having balls of steel.
Notwithstanding the stainless nuts, surely something like a FN with ap nato x51 first?

Na ****it get in there and DOMINATE. UHRAA!
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Slap a 20 pound C-4 breaching charge on the hatch....using a boat hook...back off and watch the fun!

Granted they would only get a single "Knock!" but they would certainly hear it....sorta!
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Mission accomplished, well done CG. Onboard the RN vessel also following the drug boat there were meetings upon meetings, the lads teleconferenced in the MoD, with a final result being to surrender the ship’s complement of iPods to the narco sailors.
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Firstly the mission really is to catch the boat and its contents plus the crew. Drugs can be source traced and crews interrogated. Secondly I find it interesting to bring in firefighter loss stats as if that has something to do with the subject matter. For one, one must compare the average fire size and the number of these events and so on. Stats can be made to prove anything!
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TBM....in all likelihood the origin of the "Sub" and its cargo was well known to the DEA and other agencies and information affording the tracking and seizure was in hand as well.

The strategy is now to seize mass quantities enroute to the drop off point to maximize the loss to the Cartel and make the law enforcement operation more productive.

The Street Value is where the hurt comes....as the raw product price is marginal compared to the knock on value when sold.

In the past the Cartels did not have a supply problem...or interdiction problem....they had real trouble finding a way to launder the Money.

Now if the Cops can start hitting Money Shipments as effectively as they are the. north bound product....they are going to turn the corner on this so called "War on Drugs".

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