Low Viz F35 markings
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Low Viz F35 markings
F35s tend to have low viz markings, however, they are now causing confusion as the ITAF have a grey roundel:
Which is now the same as the RAF/FAA markings:
Under International Law it states that “military aircraft means an aircraft operated by commissioned units of the armed forces of a State having the military marks of that State, commanded by a member of the armed forces and manned by a crew subject to regular armed forces discipline”. If the roundel is greyed out then how can it be recognised as the “military marks of that state” when different coloured roundels are used by the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Bangladesh, Brazil, Egypt, Finland, Greece, India, Iran, Pakistan, Qatar, etc... Surely, we should be reverting to the low-viz light blue/pink shades and other states following suit?
Which is now the same as the RAF/FAA markings:
Under International Law it states that “military aircraft means an aircraft operated by commissioned units of the armed forces of a State having the military marks of that State, commanded by a member of the armed forces and manned by a crew subject to regular armed forces discipline”. If the roundel is greyed out then how can it be recognised as the “military marks of that state” when different coloured roundels are used by the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Bangladesh, Brazil, Egypt, Finland, Greece, India, Iran, Pakistan, Qatar, etc... Surely, we should be reverting to the low-viz light blue/pink shades and other states following suit?
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How exactly are they causing confusion? The F-35A in the picture is ‘unlikely’ to be British (the B might be) and if you get close enough to see the roundel you can probably read the pilot and crew chief’s name on the cockpit surround as well as identify the unit from the vertical surface at the back.
Contrary to your assertion, the Italian and UK F-35 roundels are NOT the same. You need to look more carefully.
The RAF/RN ones are 2 shades of grey, in 2 rings.
The Italian ones are actually 3 shades of grey, in 3 rings.
The RAF/RN ones are 2 shades of grey, in 2 rings.
The Italian ones are actually 3 shades of grey, in 3 rings.
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Who gives a toss.....when you get close enough to confirm what Roundrel shows you are only there because the F-35 wants you to be there.
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LJ,
The picture you post by way of (quite rightly) demonstrating that the Italian Navy flies the B model - also shows that someone has been kind enough to paint MARINA on the side in letters each bigger than most roundels.
Assuming this isn’t an advert for somewhere to store one’s yacht - can we perhaps conclude F-35s are adequately marked?
The picture you post by way of (quite rightly) demonstrating that the Italian Navy flies the B model - also shows that someone has been kind enough to paint MARINA on the side in letters each bigger than most roundels.
Assuming this isn’t an advert for somewhere to store one’s yacht - can we perhaps conclude F-35s are adequately marked?
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LJ,
The picture you post by way of (quite rightly) demonstrating that the Italian Navy flies the B model - also shows that someone has been kind enough to paint MARINA on the side in letters each bigger than most roundels.
Assuming this isn’t an advert for somewhere to store one’s yacht - can we perhaps conclude F-35s are adequately marked?
The picture you post by way of (quite rightly) demonstrating that the Italian Navy flies the B model - also shows that someone has been kind enough to paint MARINA on the side in letters each bigger than most roundels.
Assuming this isn’t an advert for somewhere to store one’s yacht - can we perhaps conclude F-35s are adequately marked?
But really, the roundel (of different colours) is used by several nations expecting to operate the F35 variants. The variants aren’t too dissimilar in normal horizontal flight and so I argue that this is not right and does not meet the supposed International Law for State Aircraft. This is the first time we have painted our roundel on a combat jet aircraft that confusingly matches that of other nations. If we don’t want to stick to that convention agreed then why bother with any markings at all?
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and another thing..
remember that A to A incident where the escorting Ruski "saw of" the spam can only for the Ruski to merge into the background whilst the grey defender of freedom was still quite visible?
Actually looking again it seems to suffer from pixilation as soon as it gets the clouds as a backdrop..?
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=acShY_1548932459
That is just pixellation with the poor quality video. You called it correct back then.
Russian Su-27 "Chases" Off NATO Fighter Jet
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=acShY_1548932459
Russian Su-27 "Chases" Off NATO Fighter Jet
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=acShY_1548932459
The F-35 is too dark for good visual camouflage in most instances and could do with a disruptive pattern but then the fancy stuff in the dark paint would not be able to do it's magic!
Have to say that I was surprised to see that a grey circle now passes for British national insignia. Is it really impossible to make the F-35's secret stealth paint in any colour apart from grey?
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But, like a lot of these pan-nation regulations who is actually going to tell the UK (or whoever) off and enforce any changes should the markings be deemed inadequate or not sufficiently conspicuous? Some US military a/c I've seen over the years lacked any national markings (admittedly they weren't FJs) and I am not aware anything ever happened to them.
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No, This is compression not pixellation. It compresss because the colours are close enough to band together as one - that is good visual camouflage!
The F-35 is too dark for good visual camouflage in most instances and could do with a disruptive pattern but then the fancy stuff in the dark paint would not be able to do it's magic!
The F-35 is too dark for good visual camouflage in most instances and could do with a disruptive pattern but then the fancy stuff in the dark paint would not be able to do it's magic!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television