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Interesting KC-46 approach at Paris

Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:55
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This is PPRuNe....the aircraft and pilots are American....ergo a major disaster was barely averted by divine intervention!

Had it been an American aircraft but flown by some Brits in the RAF there would not have been a peep heard.

Of course there would have been lots of comments....but all suggesting what grand flying it was and proving the proper way to do it.

Hoskins, Bloggs, and Carruthers are simply based upon some myth.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 12:33
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Had it been an American aircraft but flown by some Brits in the RAF there would not have been a peep heard.
Probably because it wouldn't have happened!

parabellum , you must be confusing me with someone else! I neither directly work for Airbus nor do I fly around the world extolling the benefits of the A330MRTT. But from what I've seen, it does that for itself anyway!
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 12:52
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I'm not aircrew.

Is there really a problem with this landing. Presumably there are no passengers on board so that's not an issue. What about stress to the airframe?
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad View Post
Powerful rudder authority!
There is one point in the video where you swear it's going to land vertically!
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 18:59
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Cameras and mil Tx---hmmmm


Local News | Mishap On Keiko Flight Investigated -- Landing-Gear Repair Could Cost $1 Million | Seattle Times Newspaper

The video of the mishap does not come up during a search...which is a pity as, from memory, it is quite err dramatic ..
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:38
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Beags.....different situation and different outcome.

But....one very broken aircraft.


Hard landing in C-130J
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 23:25
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Nationality doesn't come into it - it was a poorly executed approach.
As has been explained, it wasn't part of the "show", hence one can suggest that it wasn't the "planned" outcome.
The divergence through the centreline, the touchdown right of centreline and the late point of touchdown just point to it being a balls up.
IF they'd managed to pull it off WITHOUT flying through the centreline, and landing on the centreline in the touchdown zone, it would've looked great!
But they didn't...
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 07:59
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Is that because it was multi crew? Never flown with anyone else before but Iím assuming that as captain you look after flight controls, power, fuel management, stores management, lookout, RT, navigation, systems, rules etc and possibly use other crew members for line up and touchdown point advice - or do they do something else?

I was thinking that if you didnít delegate either of these things you could have a crew member watching the end of the port wing for you?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 15:06
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Iím with SAS and F16 on this, nothing particularly bad about that approach. Possibly a last minute runway change, maybe got caught out by the wind in the final turn, but nicely recovered and landed OK. We are supposed to be military pilots, capable of taking our aircraft to the edge. Iíve seen lots of medium/large RAF aircraft do similar without a need to go around.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 15:47
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post
maybe got caught out by the wind in the final turn


What wind ?

Many excuses here for this display of flying "skills".
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
What wind ?
I donít know, I wasnít there and donít know what the wind of the day was!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:50
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Roland Pulfrew wrote:
I’ve seen lots of medium/large RAF aircraft do similar without a need to go around.
Really, Roly old mate? Not in your VC10K time, I trust.... Landing half way down the runway, well off the centreline, after a lousy approach.

At least no-one was injured - apart from Boeing's reputation, no doubt.

How's it going with you these days?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post


I donít know, I wasnít there and donít know what the wind of the day was!

How about that one : continental drift moved the touchdown marks half a mile behind the wheels ?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post


I donít know, I wasnít there and donít know what the wind of the day was!
Would that help ?


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Old 21st Jun 2019, 01:50
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No crash trucks called out....no maintenance crews flown in...no unusual ground support equipment required....no tarps covering up any part of the aircraft......what is the big deal here folks?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:56
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
No crash trucks called out....no maintenance crews flown in...no unusual ground support equipment required....no tarps covering up any part of the aircraft......what is the big deal here folks?
Thatís the standard we aspire to?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:40
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Nobody has commented on the angle from where the video was taken! I think it makes it look much worse than it actually was! I can see little wrong with it. Would never happen in normal operation but maybe he was practicing for his display? I’d give the guys a break!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:05
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Hands up anyone with more than 10 hours in their log book who hasn't made a bit of a boob and simply sorted it out.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:38
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Judging by the comments here about a pilot who converted a less than ideal approach into a landing maybe the beancounters are right.

'Today's pilots are just system operators and should be paid as such.'
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by newt View Post
Nobody has commented on the angle from where the video was taken! I think it makes it look much worse than it actually was! I can see little wrong with it.
If you look closely at this picture, you'll be able to see where the touchdown actually occurred.
From the taxiway behind the plane, you can see this is more than half a mile down the runway, and clearly way off the runway centerline (the white marks).
In "civil" aviation and most Western Air Forces, this is considered a poorly misjudged approach and landing, and should have required a timely "go around".


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