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IAF Ditching Russian AAM for Israeli

Old 13th Jun 2019, 08:09
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IAF Ditching Russian AAM for Israeli

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/outg...ssiles-2044172

Outgunned By Pak F-16s, IAF Plans To Re-Arm Its Sukhois With Israeli Missiles

NEW DELHI: In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27 this year.........

Retaliating to the IAF strike on the Jaish-e-Mohammed training facility in Balakot on February 26, the Pakistan Air Force aggressively positioned a large formation of 24 fighters near the Line of Control (LoC). A handful of these jets managed to cross the LoC to fire precision-guided glide bombs towards Indian military positions in the Rajouri sector.

Eight Indian Air Force fighters, including two Sukhoi-30 MKI jets, were vectored to intercept the Pakistani formation when they detected the launch of several US-made AIM-120 C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) in their direction.

''The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir," says Sameer Joshi, a Kargil veteran. ''The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch," he said.

Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometres. Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometres away.........



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Old 13th Jun 2019, 09:39
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India selected the Derby quite some time ago and were due to complete live-fire testing last year using their instrumented Tejas test aircraft.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 15:34
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To be fair it can achieve 80km under favourable conditions i.e. with the launch aircraft at 80000' with a Category 5 Hurricane behind it.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
To be fair it can achieve 80km under favourable conditions i.e. with the launch aircraft at 80000' with a Category 5 Hurricane behind it.
I assume you were the one who tested it, since you put it so definitely :-)
Seriously speaking, no one knows the truth, i.e. real conditions. Some other sources reported shortly after the incident that the Pak. pilots were "shooting" from 60-70 km, so they were within the (max theoretical) range of the Indian missiles. But the question is whether the Indian pilots performed really well. I doubt it. If they were indeed maneuvering to evade the AIMs, it is quite possible that their brains were not cool after that.
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