U.S. Navy drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs
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04/23/2019 06:06 PM EDT
U.S. Navy drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs
By BRYAN BENDER
04/23/2019 06:06 PM EDT
U.S. Navy drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs
By BRYAN BENDER
The Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft — but it also does not want to dismiss strange aerial sightings by credible military personnel.
The service says it has also 'provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety.'
The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other personnel to report encounters with "unidentified aircraft," a significant new step in creating a formal process to collect and analyze the unexplained sightings — and destigmatize them.
The previously unreported move is in response to a series of sightings of unknown, highly advanced aircraft intruding on Navy strike groups and other sensitive military formations and facilities, the service says.
"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," the Navy said in a statement in response to questions from POLITICO. "For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the [U.S. Air Force] takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report.
"As part of this effort," it added, "the Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."
To be clear, the Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft. But it is acknowledging there have been enough strange aerial sightings by credible and highly trained military personnel that they need to be recorded in the official record and studied — rather than dismissed as some kooky phenomena from the realm of science-fiction.
Chris Mellon, a former Pentagon intelligence official and ex-staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said establishing a more formal means of reporting what the military now calls "unexplained aerial phenomena" — rather than "unidentified flying objects" — would be a “sea change.”
“Right now, we have situation in which UFOs and UAPs are treated as anomalies to be ignored rather than anomalies to be explored,” he said. “We have systems that exclude that information and dump it.”
For example, Mellon said “in a lot of cases [military personnel] don’t know what to do with that information — like satellite data or a radar that sees something going Mach 3. They will dump [the data] because that is not a traditional aircraft or missile.”
The development comes amid growing interest from members of Congress following revelations by POLITICO and the New York Times in late 2017 that the Pentagon established a dedicated office inside the Defense Intelligence Agency to study UAPs at the urging of several senators who secretly set aside appropriations for the effort.
That office spent some $25 million conducting a series of technical studies and evaluating numerous unexplained incursions, including one that lasted several days involving the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004. In that case, Navy fighter jets were outmaneuvered by unidentified aircraft that flew in ways that appeared to defy the laws of known physics.
Raytheon, a leading defense contractor, used the reports and official Defense Department video of the sightings off the coast of California to hail one of its radar systems for capturing the phenomena.
The Pentagon's UFO research office, known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, was officially wound down in 2012 when the congressional earmark ran out.
But more lawmakers are now asking questions, the Navy also reports.
"In response to requests for information from Congressional members and staff, Navy officials have provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety," the service said in its statement to POLITICO.
The Navy declined to identify who has been briefed, nor would it provide more details on the guidelines for reporting that are being drafted for the fleet. The Air Force did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Advocates for treating such sightings as a potential national security threat have long criticized military leaders for giving the phenomenon relatively little attention and for encouraging a culture in which personnel feel that speaking up about it could hurt their career.
Luis Elizondo, the former Pentagon official who ran the so-called AATIP office, complained after he retired from government service that the Pentagon's approach to these unidentified aircraft has been far too blasé.
"If you are in a busy airport and see something you are supposed to say something," Elizondo said. "With our own military members it is kind of the opposite: 'If you do see something, don't say something.'"
He added that because these mysterious aircraft "don't have a tail number or a flag — in some cases not even a tail — it's crickets. What happens in five years if it turns out these are extremely advanced Russian aircraft?"
Elizondo will be featured in an upcoming documentary series about the Pentagon UFO research he oversaw. He said the six-part series will reveal more recent sightings of UAPs by dozens of military pilots.
Both Elizondo and Mellon are involved with the To The Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, which supports research into explaining the technical advances these reported UAPs demonstrate.
The service says it has also 'provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety.'
The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other personnel to report encounters with "unidentified aircraft," a significant new step in creating a formal process to collect and analyze the unexplained sightings — and destigmatize them.
The previously unreported move is in response to a series of sightings of unknown, highly advanced aircraft intruding on Navy strike groups and other sensitive military formations and facilities, the service says.
"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," the Navy said in a statement in response to questions from POLITICO. "For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the [U.S. Air Force] takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report.
"As part of this effort," it added, "the Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."
To be clear, the Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft. But it is acknowledging there have been enough strange aerial sightings by credible and highly trained military personnel that they need to be recorded in the official record and studied — rather than dismissed as some kooky phenomena from the realm of science-fiction.
Chris Mellon, a former Pentagon intelligence official and ex-staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said establishing a more formal means of reporting what the military now calls "unexplained aerial phenomena" — rather than "unidentified flying objects" — would be a “sea change.”
“Right now, we have situation in which UFOs and UAPs are treated as anomalies to be ignored rather than anomalies to be explored,” he said. “We have systems that exclude that information and dump it.”
For example, Mellon said “in a lot of cases [military personnel] don’t know what to do with that information — like satellite data or a radar that sees something going Mach 3. They will dump [the data] because that is not a traditional aircraft or missile.”
The development comes amid growing interest from members of Congress following revelations by POLITICO and the New York Times in late 2017 that the Pentagon established a dedicated office inside the Defense Intelligence Agency to study UAPs at the urging of several senators who secretly set aside appropriations for the effort.
That office spent some $25 million conducting a series of technical studies and evaluating numerous unexplained incursions, including one that lasted several days involving the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004. In that case, Navy fighter jets were outmaneuvered by unidentified aircraft that flew in ways that appeared to defy the laws of known physics.
Raytheon, a leading defense contractor, used the reports and official Defense Department video of the sightings off the coast of California to hail one of its radar systems for capturing the phenomena.
The Pentagon's UFO research office, known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, was officially wound down in 2012 when the congressional earmark ran out.
But more lawmakers are now asking questions, the Navy also reports.
"In response to requests for information from Congressional members and staff, Navy officials have provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety," the service said in its statement to POLITICO.
The Navy declined to identify who has been briefed, nor would it provide more details on the guidelines for reporting that are being drafted for the fleet. The Air Force did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Advocates for treating such sightings as a potential national security threat have long criticized military leaders for giving the phenomenon relatively little attention and for encouraging a culture in which personnel feel that speaking up about it could hurt their career.
Luis Elizondo, the former Pentagon official who ran the so-called AATIP office, complained after he retired from government service that the Pentagon's approach to these unidentified aircraft has been far too blasé.
"If you are in a busy airport and see something you are supposed to say something," Elizondo said. "With our own military members it is kind of the opposite: 'If you do see something, don't say something.'"
He added that because these mysterious aircraft "don't have a tail number or a flag — in some cases not even a tail — it's crickets. What happens in five years if it turns out these are extremely advanced Russian aircraft?"
Elizondo will be featured in an upcoming documentary series about the Pentagon UFO research he oversaw. He said the six-part series will reveal more recent sightings of UAPs by dozens of military pilots.
Both Elizondo and Mellon are involved with the To The Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, which supports research into explaining the technical advances these reported UAPs demonstrate.
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Frustrated pilots got Navy to stop dismissing UFO sightings
http://www.philly.com/news/nation-wo...-20190424.html
"A recent uptick in sightings of unidentified flying objects — or, as the military calls them, 'unexplained aerial phenomena' — prompted the U.S. Navy to draft formal procedures for pilots to document encounters, a corrective measure that former officials say is long overdue. . .
“'Since 2014, these intrusions have been happening on a regular basis,' Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told the Washington Post on Wednesday. Recently, unidentified aircraft entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month. 'We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who’s doing it, where it’s coming from, and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.'
"Citing safety and security concerns, Gradisher vowed to 'investigate each and every report. . . '
"According to [Chris] Mellon [a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence and a staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee], awestruck and baffled pilots, concerned that reporting unidentified flying aircraft would adversely affect their careers, tended not to speak up. And when they did, he said there was little interest in investigating their reports."
No "woo woo" stuff here--this is just talking about gathering solid data and withholding judgment until enough info is available (if ever) to make some hypotheses about just what is going on. However I doubt that the Navy or anybody could "prevent it from happening again." Kudos to the Navy for moving toward being up-front about this (e.g. the Nimitz sighting). In the past, the Air Force both initiated its own and sponsored reports on the UFO phenomenon (Project Bluebook and the [witless] Condon Report), but has largely been dismissive of it. I wonder if the Navy is more open-minded about the subject than the Air Force. Any thoughts from those with experience in this matter, who reported sightings up the chain-of-command--and did you encounter a backlash?
"A recent uptick in sightings of unidentified flying objects — or, as the military calls them, 'unexplained aerial phenomena' — prompted the U.S. Navy to draft formal procedures for pilots to document encounters, a corrective measure that former officials say is long overdue. . .
“'Since 2014, these intrusions have been happening on a regular basis,' Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told the Washington Post on Wednesday. Recently, unidentified aircraft entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month. 'We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who’s doing it, where it’s coming from, and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.'
"Citing safety and security concerns, Gradisher vowed to 'investigate each and every report. . . '
"According to [Chris] Mellon [a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence and a staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee], awestruck and baffled pilots, concerned that reporting unidentified flying aircraft would adversely affect their careers, tended not to speak up. And when they did, he said there was little interest in investigating their reports."
No "woo woo" stuff here--this is just talking about gathering solid data and withholding judgment until enough info is available (if ever) to make some hypotheses about just what is going on. However I doubt that the Navy or anybody could "prevent it from happening again." Kudos to the Navy for moving toward being up-front about this (e.g. the Nimitz sighting). In the past, the Air Force both initiated its own and sponsored reports on the UFO phenomenon (Project Bluebook and the [witless] Condon Report), but has largely been dismissive of it. I wonder if the Navy is more open-minded about the subject than the Air Force. Any thoughts from those with experience in this matter, who reported sightings up the chain-of-command--and did you encounter a backlash?
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Anyone knows where I can find the report?
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Thing is nowadays, with UAS/UAV , drone tech, and easy to buy R/C stuff plus quadcopters drones at Amazon and Mens Gift SHops (before xmas seasons selling calendars, R/C helicopters, cars) ...its not that difficult to create any unusual flying object tbh. Hell on youtube a couple of pranksters in US converted a toy spider into an R/C thing and knocked on peeps doors then the spider UAS lept into the air onto the startled resident.
Go back 15 years, went to the very last Maxpower Live (lots of nice models lol sadly cannot find my images from that sunday lol!)...me and mate bought one of these toy flying suacer with red flashing light from one of the stands selling gadgets. It was powered by a coil and was around size of a football. Anyhow powered it up then tested in the garden late at night lol....it hovered just around the garden sheds height...
Also around that time, does anyone remember a Channel 4 or 5 documentary showing a bunch of engineers down in Surrey constructing a very large flying saucer. Said saucer was fitted with red light and flying it around the countryside spoofing peeps. As the radio range was limited so several of the team stood mile or so apart. Just for legality they asked CAA to give them an exemption. And the result was as expected lots of calls to the cops
Problem is in Syria, the big bad guys are using drones as weapons...so its not incoceivable for a group to cause havoc in the airspace especially around an AAF/ AFB/MCAS/NAS by flying an unusual shaped UAS just to put the wind up the authorities. Case in point with LGW drone incident before xmas (I was one of the 150,000 odd passengers stuck there for few extra days).
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Go back 15 years, went to the very last Maxpower Live (lots of nice models lol sadly cannot find my images from that sunday lol!)...me and mate bought one of these toy flying suacer with red flashing light from one of the stands selling gadgets. It was powered by a coil and was around size of a football. Anyhow powered it up then tested in the garden late at night lol....it hovered just around the garden sheds height...
Also around that time, does anyone remember a Channel 4 or 5 documentary showing a bunch of engineers down in Surrey constructing a very large flying saucer. Said saucer was fitted with red light and flying it around the countryside spoofing peeps. As the radio range was limited so several of the team stood mile or so apart. Just for legality they asked CAA to give them an exemption. And the result was as expected lots of calls to the cops
Problem is in Syria, the big bad guys are using drones as weapons...so its not incoceivable for a group to cause havoc in the airspace especially around an AAF/ AFB/MCAS/NAS by flying an unusual shaped UAS just to put the wind up the authorities. Case in point with LGW drone incident before xmas (I was one of the 150,000 odd passengers stuck there for few extra days).
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I assume the point is not ET but something on the lines of this: Test of drone swarm
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In just the past few weeks, a large group of independent scientists and engineers released their 200+ page analysis of these events. It includes the material obtained from the USN. It was a rigorous effort and is a fascinating read. Their conclusions about the observed performance of whatever the hell these things were will knock your socks off. You can find it at explorescu dot org .
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Tyler Rogoway at the The Drive dot com WarZone posted a remarkable article yesterday about this.It includes several important videos and links.
Here's the money shot:
Here's the money shot:
...When it comes to the so-called "Tic Tac" incident that involved the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group off the Baja Peninsula in 2004, conclusions that are nearly impossible not to draw from it are so reality warping that even the forward-thinking aerospace community doesn't seem to have even begun coming to terms with them. The main revelation is that technology exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion, flight controls, material science, and even physics. Let me underline this again for you, the Nimitz encounter with the Tic Tac proved that exotic technology that is widely thought of as the domain of science fiction actually exists. It is real. It isn't the result of altered perception, someone's lucid dream, a stray weather balloon, or swamp gas. Someone or something has crossed the technological Rubicon and has obtained what some would call the Holy Grail of aerospace engineering. This reality is very hard to process for many. There is always an out for some in the form of claiming an odd impromptu conspiracy or some hollow explanation that doesn't pass muster beyond the first paragraph, but in the end, it happened. As uncomfortable as that fact is, it's reality. So, we need to use this event as a lodestar going forward when it comes to evaluating and contemplating what is possible and where truth actually lies.
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Forensic Analysis
In just the past few weeks, a large group of independent scientists and engineers released their 200+ page analysis of these events. It includes the material obtained from the USN. It was a rigorous effort and is a fascinating read. Their conclusions about the observed performance of whatever the hell these things were will knock your socks off. You can find it at explorescu dot org .
A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven’s Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle
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Much obliged, Setpoint. I'm still an FNG and can't post links until I have regaled you with my wit and wisdom at least ten times. Try to contain your anticipation.
Even using the open-source data and pilot accounts, their analysis makes it clear that these numerous contacts did not perform like any sort of known, or even feasible, airframe.
Yesterday, Channel 8 in Las Vegas reported confirmation the three videos were released by the DOD. The story/segment is at their website.
GN/BN:
GN: there will be a 6 part documentary about all this airing in the US on May 31st. Longer versions of these FLIR videos are promised, plus some entirely new ones, plus anomalous materials science findings.
BN: It will air on the History Channel. So there is still time to f it up. But at least is isn't being made by the Ancient Aliens nutcases.
IMVHO: If you work in the sky, you should probably monitor this.
Even using the open-source data and pilot accounts, their analysis makes it clear that these numerous contacts did not perform like any sort of known, or even feasible, airframe.
Yesterday, Channel 8 in Las Vegas reported confirmation the three videos were released by the DOD. The story/segment is at their website.
GN/BN:
GN: there will be a 6 part documentary about all this airing in the US on May 31st. Longer versions of these FLIR videos are promised, plus some entirely new ones, plus anomalous materials science findings.
BN: It will air on the History Channel. So there is still time to f it up. But at least is isn't being made by the Ancient Aliens nutcases.
IMVHO: If you work in the sky, you should probably monitor this.
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A talented videographer/CGI guy named Dave Beaty made an excellent video recreation of the 2004 Nimitz event from available witness testimony and USN documentation.
He has since been in contact with several other witnesses, and is looking for more.
thenimitizencounter dot com
Can you even imagine the pucker.
He has since been in contact with several other witnesses, and is looking for more.
thenimitizencounter dot com
Can you even imagine the pucker.
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Yea, you're right. This FLIR vid (and another one) apparently came from a different series of encounters with another carrier group off Florida or Virginia in 2015. Worth watching the versions with cockpit audio.
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That's surprising. I'm curious as to what part rings hollow to you?
The DD 1910 declassification document has now been released, so the 3 videos did actually come out of the Pentagon. Search lasvegasnow com for "DD 1910"
The pilot of the other Super Hornet (F) who flew high cover during the Nimitz engagement will also be interviewed in the History channel series coming up on May 31. Should be interesting.
The DD 1910 declassification document has now been released, so the 3 videos did actually come out of the Pentagon. Search lasvegasnow com for "DD 1910"
The pilot of the other Super Hornet (F) who flew high cover during the Nimitz engagement will also be interviewed in the History channel series coming up on May 31. Should be interesting.
