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Old 17th Apr 2019, 20:20
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More Drone rumours

I've been digging some more on the RPAS issue and I have some more rumours to add to this aptly named rumour network:

Soon, the Remotely Piloted Aircraft System-Pilot branch will no longer exist as a single Branch, instead there will be a fourth stream in to the Pilot branch and RPAS-P will move over to the Brown Pilot's brevet as they ditch the Blue and will be able to receive full "flying pay" which is now known as recruitment and retention pay, I think. The streams will be:
  • Pilot - Fast-Jet
  • Pilot - Rotary Wing
  • Pilot - Multi-Engine
  • Pilot - ISTAR
From what I can tell, one can choose to specialise in RPAS from the start as an ISTAR Pilot but the other three will remain as normal. There will be no restrictions to 'manned' (for lack of a better word) aircraft from RPAS assets because all Pilots will have a full Instrument Rating for flying the Reaper and Protector in UK airspace.
39 Sqn is drawing down from Creech AFB and they will be moving to RAF Waddington to permanently team up with XIII Sqn, which means operators are not backwards and forwards the U.S and the UK along with operational deployments for LRE duties and also potential Exercises. This works better for families and it may be one answer to the RPAS retention headache.

There is virtually no holding time for RPAS operators compared to their 'manned' counterparts; it's currently 7.5 years and counting for fast-jet pilots and a fair chunk for the others. I know of one young man who has only been in the Air Force for a few years and has seen operational service, whereas those on the 'manned' system currently for the most part are just starting EFT after the same period!
The OCU will remain at Creech AFB as a permanent detachment of 54 Sqn, but after that 6 month course, Captaincy is achieved requiring only a weapons work up to achieve CRS.
The best part for guys who are like me in their 20's is that, due to this, the age limit is raised to 33, but I suspect it will still remain 26 for DE Pilots.

Hopefully we can keep this thread updated as more information becomes available. Good times for the RAF!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 06:25
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Don’t suppose they need some of us old fellas with lots of hours?..........no I thought not...........but we would be cheap and only require a small parking space for our zimmers!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 06:55
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Donít suppose they need some of us old fellas with lots of hours?..........no I thought not...........but we would be cheap and only require a small parking space for our zimmers!
Ha, yeah, and I'd be very interested in RPAS as a second career in my mid 30's!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 07:13
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Donít suppose they need some of us old fellas with lots of hours?..........no I thought not...........but we would be cheap and only require a small parking space for our zimmers!
You could do it from your retirement home!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 07:37
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Newt’s retirement home? Security clearance could be a tad problematic in the local boozer!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:10
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To the chap who PM'd me but hasn't emptied his inbox, could you make space and then PM me again please?

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Old 21st Apr 2019, 04:53
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Not the place to give details but your post is half way correct and is lacking in some detail in other places.

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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 02:52
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Originally Posted by heights good View Post
Not the place to give details but your post is half way correct and is lacking in some detail in other places.

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Respectfully I would say that of course it's the place to give details, it's a rumour site and I started this thread for people like me who have their mind open to RPAS as well as manned flying.

There's nothing classified here and if there was, well you'd have just breached the rules by confirming it as "half correct" anyway, in fairness.
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 08:34
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...a rumour site for "professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls", etc, etc.

Just saying :-)
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 09:34
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Is it possible to earn medals as a RPAS pilot?

Perhaps the Queens Gallantry Medal, for dropping a bomb on someone while sipping a coffee a long way away?
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 18:15
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Well I think I need a change of career and this would suit me down to the ground! Air conditioned office in charge of a machine that can be more effective than any manned machine! No need to put my ass on the line! Top cover from the CIA man sat on my shoulder! Oh and the chance of winning a medal! Got to be done!
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 18:32
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Lots of RAF personnel get medals -only a very small handful for being in harmís way.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 09:26
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Perhaps the Queens Gallantry Medal, for dropping a bomb on someone while sipping a coffee a long way away?
Dropping a bomb whilst sipping a coffee a long way away (from home). Just like being on the Mighty Hunter!!!
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 13:43
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Lots of RAF personnel get medals -only a very small handful for being in harmís way.
Only too true!

I have just been turned down by the Medals office for a (retrospective) Op SHADER medal on the basis that ISTAR crews sipping coffee in Waddington or Cyprus were contributing more op effectiveness than we targeteers in PJHQ. I also didn't qualify for the Non-article 5 medal for ELLAMY/Libya in 2011 for the same reason, while Tonka engineers in Italy did.

Go figure.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 20:37
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Donít suppose they need some of us old fellas with lots of hours?..........no I thought not...........but we would be cheap and only require a small parking space for our zimmers!
Actually, Manning is.... Google RAF Rejoiners.
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Well, like many on here I admit to being from a previous generation: but proper pilot’s wings, for an RPAS pilot. Really? I do not doubt their skill, the length of their training or the stresses their particular job entails, but when all is said and done they conduct their business safe and sound in an ISO container at a friendly base which is not what the emblem represents.
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Old 13th May 2019, 18:31
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Timelord , how right you are!

Drone operators deserve recognition, but NOT the RAF Flying Badge unless they've previously completed RAF flying training.
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when all is said and done they conduct their business safe and sound in an ISO container at a friendly base which is not what the emblem represents
Surely the emblem (or Flying Badge) represents a badge that means you have completed a recognised flying course only. Queen’s Regulation (QR) 206 is quite explicit in this case:

A flying badge, being a qualification badge, is not to be regarded as either a decoration or the equivalent of a regimental badge.
This posted elsewhere on the forum - clearly states it is the course that qualifies them:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db949fa365.gif

Then there is a further little ‘gotcha’ in QRs in QRJ727:

A member of aircrew who is qualified for more than one badge is not to wear a badge other than that appropriate to the particular flying duty in which they are currently categorised or mustered, except where MOD authority is granted. An individual who is entitled to wear a badge and is undergoing training for another aircrew category may continue to wear the badge of the former category until award of the flying badge of the new category.
So as this QR stands then all pilots - those with brown laurel wreaths included - would have to wear the former blue laurel leaf badge for RPAS flying. I can just imagine that!
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Old 13th May 2019, 18:39
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unless they've previously completed RAF flying training.
Which they have - the RPAS Flying Training pipeline, which is different just like the Fast Jet, Multi-Engine and Rotary Wing ones?
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