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Old 17th Apr 2019, 07:02
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Does the dissertation deal with the nuisance value of Mosquitos over Berlin ? If so, I would love to see the evidence. Think of all the AA and personnel deployed, 88s into the bargain. Lost production, office workers tired with low morale ..................
Langley, I did mention that above.....'The fact is that the mosquito ,even in the LNSF, was seen more as a nuisance, depriving sleep to the population and keeping the defences alert.' Don't forget it was Speer, who said the real success of the offensive, was the resources needed to fight it. A million men tied up who could have been used on the Russian front and the thousands of 88s that would have also been sorely needed. Gentlemen I am not here to score points, but to just tell you as I see it. Everyone has their own theory and I respect that, even if I don't agree.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 09:32
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I shall be forever grateful, that a number of years ago my 12000 word dissertation, Air Power: The Strategic Offensive 1939-45, wasn't marked by you and that my Professor gave me the mark he did. Ramblings indeed......
In that, rolling, you should indeed. Now, since you are bragging about Professors and your dissertation, am I correct that you are not a Military Aviator qualified in FJ combat, radar, bombing, tactics EW and that sort of thing?

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Onceapilot View Post
In that, rolling, you should indeed. Now, since you are bragging about Professors and your dissertation, am I correct that you are not a Military Aviator qualified in FJ combat, radar, bombing, tactics EW and that sort of thing?

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Come on, play the ball, not the man. You can do better than that.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 11:51
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Originally Posted by beardy View Post
Come on, play the ball, not the man. You can do better than that.
Yes, fair call. But, I am responding to an obvious expert with a dissertation here!
Beyond that, there are a lot of what-ifs from the RAF WW2 Bomber offensive, many of which are open to opinion. However, some tactics and technical realities are not subject to speculation and, particularly in view of the great loss of life in Bomber Command, it annoys me when fact's or statistics are mixed with fiction or uninformed opinion. Cheers

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:59
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If anyone hasn't already done so they should read Confound and Destroy - 100 Group and the Bomber Support Campaign by Martin Streetly:
ISBN 0354 01180 4.

Chapter 6 describing Exercise Operation Post Mortem, a series of Bomber Command exercises between 25 Jun - 7 Jul 1945 aimed at assessing the effectiveness of countermeasures and tactics against the Luftwaffe air defence organisation, is particularly interesting. You may then wish to take a look at RAF Historical Society Journal No. 28 to see how quickly some of the lessons learned were forgotten.

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 18:03
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Originally Posted by rolling20 View Post
Langley, I did mention that above.....'The fact is that the mosquito ,even in the LNSF, was seen more as a nuisance, depriving sleep to the population and keeping the defences alert.' Don't forget it was Speer, who said the real success of the offensive, was the resources needed to fight it. A million men tied up who could have been used on the Russian front and the thousands of 88s that would have also been sorely needed. Gentlemen I am not here to score points, but to just tell you as I see it. Everyone has their own theory and I respect that, even if I don't agree.

I did say: ................the nuisance value of Mosquitos over Berlin ? If so, I would love to see the evidence. ..........
You may assume that I have most if not all of the books bearing on the subject, I just need evidence not an opinion please.
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