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Old 17th Nov 2020, 15:42
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I have lost track of this a bit. Was it ever confirmed that the order is only for 3? And is that the final number or more to come (Like F35B/A ???)
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 18:06
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I don't think it is official (yet), I have seen a story that Boeing is trying to convince HMG they can afford four. Recent press releases from Boeing UK and STS don't include a fleet number unlike some earlier ones. Speculation suggests no maintenance contract was put in place and the likely costs of it plus training are the issue. A side issue is that the E-3 OSD is 12 months before E-7 Entry into Service.

MoD seems to have been avoiding answering the question.

Written Question on 22 SEP 2020 reply 28 SEP 2020
[QUOTE]Kevan Jones MP (Labour) (ex Defence Minister and Shadow Defence Minister), Member of the Defence & Intelligence and Security Committees

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what capability gap would be created for the Royal Air Force in the event that the order for five E-7 Wedgetail aircraft is reduced to three?

Jeremy Quin MP, Minister of State (MoD)
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None. The E-7 Wedgetail is a step change in capability and reliability and meets the urgent need for an Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) capability as a critical enabler to UK military capability.

The transition from Sentry to E-7 Wedgetail will not result in any reduction in current capability.[/QUOTE]

If the existing capability is as f**ked as some have said then dragging Shacks and Gannets out of museums wouldn't represent a reduction in capability. Yes, I'm being facetious but 3 clapped out E-3s replaced by 3 new E-7s obviously wouldn't be a reduction in a capability which is severely degraded.
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Thanks. “The current capability” sounds like a very dubious yardstick.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 16:42
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Originally Posted by BVRAAM
Ok, so this thing is being assembled here, which is good news for UK industry.

S?

As I read the press release, the empty airframes will be flown here, then STS will remove S 46 in the rear fuselage, fit the new section 46 (with the radar mount) then re-assemble the fuselage and install the mission systems.

So 'conversion' rather than assembly

I don't think the 'used' airframes for the UK have been publically identified yet, not whther they will be -700 airframes (As per RAAF) or -800 (as rumoured). Wouldn't be like us to screw things up by having a different airframe :-)
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Just confirmed by local MP that E7 to be based at Lossie alongside P8. Makes sense I suppose but Lossie is going to be one hell of a base. Is this all part of a negotiating ploy when Nicola gets her way?
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Just confirmed by local MP that E7 to be based at Lossie alongside P8. Makes sense I suppose but Lossie is going to be one hell of a base. Is this all part of a negotiating ploy when Nicola gets her way?
It's been on the BBC news for about 45 minutes (as I type)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-55351077
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Must say, didn't see that one coming although it makes some sense.

Whither Waddo?

Runway's too short for the RJ, Shadow doesn't need 9,000', Sentinel's off, Reaper et al probably won't fly from there. So just the Arrows...
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Must say, didn't see that one coming although it makes some sense.

Whither Waddo?

Runway's too short for the RJ, Shadow doesn't need 9,000', Sentinel's off, Reaper et al probably won't fly from there. So just the Arrows...
Indeed, the reds will be happy but I fail to see how the base will be maximised now the wedgetails are not coming. With Sentinels being stood down, this will leave 3 RJs and a few Shadows, all very strange!
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Originally Posted by Timelord
Just confirmed by local MP that E7 to be based at Lossie alongside P8. Makes sense I suppose but Lossie is going to be one hell of a base. Is this all part of a negotiating ploy when Nicola gets her way?
And heres the official RAF press release, like everyone else no saw that coming ...but makes sense with co locating with P-8 sharing resources.

https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...ased-in-moray/

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Originally Posted by SKOJB
Indeed, the reds will be happy but I fail to see how the base will be maximised now the wedgetails are not coming. With Sentinels being stood down, this will leave 3 RJs and a few Shadows, all very strange!
Not forgetting Protector!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...8nv7zDBfJPIjAu
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 11:31
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Indeed, the reds will be happy but I fail to see how the base will be maximised now the wedgetails are not coming. With Sentinels being stood down, this will leave 3 RJs and a few Shadows, all very strange!
Waddington will have to have a few more detached squadrons going in to make full use of the base!!
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Lossie's going to be busy then. Kinloss would give them some room for manoeuvre though ie circuit bashing. I wonder if any cabs would be based at ISK?
 
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That decision will p1ss a few people off.
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Originally Posted by Green Flash
Kinloss would give them some room for maneuver though ie circuit bashing.
Not really, due to runway proximity, a certain amount of deconfliction was always required.
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Don't know what the sim situation is going to be but a lot of circuit bashing is going synthetic anyway these days. It should be possible to have one front-end sim for both types, just flick a switch to go from P-8 to E-7. Depends on how common the flight deck is obviously.
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Idle Friday Speculation

Although it seems to make sense from the point of view of airframe commonality and being slightly more up threat, is this further signalling a reduction in the E-7 order?

With 8 going back to Lossie and 5 for the chop, if 51 go elsewhere as speculated, does it make operational sense to consolidate 14 and 54 at Lossie so the 'Locally Piloted' ISTAR force isn't split over three stations? Waddo then becomes the centre for RPAS and when 216 becomes fully operational swarm technology with RAFAT for company. (My naughty thought was they are a piloted swarm)

Does anyone know if XIII or 39 will disband once 31 becomes fully operational on Protector or will it be in addition to the existing squadrons?

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Old 18th Dec 2020, 12:30
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Originally Posted by downsizer
That decision will p1ss a few people off.
Especially paying higher taxes. OK, they get it back but it's still extra buggeration.
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Especially paying higher taxes. OK, they get it back but it's still extra buggeration.
Possibly more a case of not wanting a posting that far North.
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Originally Posted by Green Flash
Lossie's going to be busy then. Kinloss would give them some room for manoeuvre though ie circuit bashing. I wonder if any cabs would be based at ISK?

Not without serious money being spent on properly refurbishing the place. It cost millions just to get it fit enough to use for limited Poseidon and Typhoon Ops during Lossie bolthole.
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Read the link, and find the mistake:

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/12/raf ... LBgDsNKyyM
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