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Curious accidental ejection Rafale

Old 21st Mar 2019, 08:16
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Curious accidental ejection Rafale

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 08:58
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Looks like the rear seater was a 64 year old non-military personnel on a jolly.
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But it should still be a zero-zero seat and he should have had non-threatening injuries
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:50
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Does the Rafale have a seat-box survival kit? Does it lower automatically? If yes and no, landing on the box/box landing on the ejectee might be painful.

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:15
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But it should still be a zero-zero seat and he should have had non-threatening injuries
it might have been windy, which would affect the severity of the landing, and what the passenger landed on (eg, runway lights) would have an influence too.
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But it should still be a zero-zero seat and he should have had non-threatening injuries
Dislocation of expectation, unanticipated event with insufficient training, suddenly finding yourself being dragged out of the airframe and dragged down the tarmac by your parachute...
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 00:07
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Did they check whether the pax grabbed the ejection handles to hold on during the takeoff?
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 01:46
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Add the above that almost certainly a poor ejection posture (I doubt he was expecting it) and probably not ready for the landing...

zero-zero doesn’t guarantee absence of injury...
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From all accounts, it's a violent enough event when you're braced and ready.
Imagine it happening when you weren't!
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Add the above that almost certainly a poor ejection posture (I doubt he was expecting it) and probably not ready for the landing...

Looks like the take-off phase caught him by surprise too!
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Another article

To be honest I'm pleasantly surprised he got away with it...
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 11:10
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I hope he was a civilian research scientist and not the pilots dad.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 23:47
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He was a journalist on a fam flight. Suffered a serious back injury but is OK. Pilot received cuts to his hands from pieces of broken canopy.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 00:00
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I wonder if they got a tie?

Mk16 Ejection Seat for Rafale - Martin-Baker

Ejection Tie Club - Martin-Baker
"life membership of the Ejection Tie Club is confined solely to those who have emergency ejected from an aircraft using a Martin-Baker ejection seat, which has thereby saved their life."

It's wasn't an emergency, and then it was!
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Another article

To be honest I'm pleasantly surprised he got away with it...
From the comments on that article:
I believe he was from the UK.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 12:44
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Would that not make it, 'ejexit', then?
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Well that went well...
The report is out...
Report (In French)

The civilian passenger, identified by the report as a 64-year-old employee of a French defense manufacturer, was offered a discovery flight on a Dassault Rafale B fighter jet as a surprise by four of his colleagues, including a former pilot of the French Air Force that organized the gift.

Journalists or elected officials are often invited to take part in “observation” flights approved by the Ministry of the Armed Forces, for information and communication purposes. They must follow a strict procedure that includes a medical visit to the Center for medical expertise of flight personnel (CEMPN), and the approval of the Ministry.

However, this time, due to the “informal” setting of the flight, the usual protocol was not respected. Instead, the passenger was examined by a doctor four hours before the flight. He was declared apt to participate in the flight, under the condition that he would not be submitted to a negative load factor. That information was not communicated to the pilot.

The civilian was already nervous when he entered the cockpit, with his heart rate recorded between 136 and 142 beats per minute. The investigation found that the safety checks of the passenger had been approximate at best. He carried out most of his installation into the cockpit by himself. As a consequence, his visor was up, his anti-g pants were not worn properly, his helmet and oxygen mask were both unattached, and his seat straps were not tight enough.

Following orders of a regular training mission that involved two other Rafales, the pilot took off and climbed at 47°, generating a load factor of around +4G. Then, as he leveled off, he subjected his passenger to a negative load factor of about -0.6G.

“Discovering the feeling of the negative load factor, the insufficiently strapped and totally surprised passenger held onto the ejector handle and activated it unintentionally,” states the report. During the ejection, the civilian lost his helmet and oxygen mask. Due to a technical flaw of the seat, the dinghy failed to inflate, but fortunately, the incident happened above land. The passenger sustained minor injuries.

The BEA-E states that the absence of experience and the lack of preparation due to the surprise caused a lot of stress on the passenger, who had “never expressed a desire to carry out this type of flight, and in particular on Rafale”. The victim said he was given close to no possibility to refuse the flight from the moment it was announced to him. The social pressure of his colleagues also contributed to the stress.

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Old 9th Apr 2020, 09:53
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jeez - you'd hope we wouldn't be reading reports like that in these enlightened air safety minded days. So many places for someone to just go "wait a moment...".
25 years of mil aviation has repeatedly taught me "if it is in any way non-standard - watch out!"
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There seems to be rather a lot of issues thrown up by that report.
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So does this mean the Rafale has an automatic command eject?
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