Red Arrows to move from RAF Scampton to one of three sites
Linton-On-Ouse! 4 runways to choose from and a new(ish) ATC tower with radar suite (in fact, one of the most modern towers in the RAF). ATC and Fire already established and enough room around the existing MATZ not to trouble too many other airspace users when pushing the top level of the MATZ up to 9500' (then calling it R4¿#). Sorry if that seems like talking sense, I couldn't help myself.
Also worth noting that the last effort to move the Red's airspace reservation fell flat on its face. The 'fix' was to continue to use Scampton despite the team moving to Cranwell, before moving back to Scampton again. With the final disposal of Scampton the current airspace reservation will expire with it. Finding a new location for R313 may be quite a challenge. As it is the Civil Aviation airspace restriction is only reserved for 12 months at a time and is signed into legislation via a Statutory Instrument under the 'public interest' test.
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Whilst you were congratulating yourself on your Linton plan did you stop and think about the length of runways at Linton?
6000’ for the ‘long’ runway and 4400’ for the short. Currently no barriers either.
How much do you know about operating a fast jet and the length of runway required?
BV
6000’ for the ‘long’ runway and 4400’ for the short. Currently no barriers either.
How much do you know about operating a fast jet and the length of runway required?
BV
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And Linton due to close. OK, keep the airspace above Linton. But you don't have to use the groundspace at Linton. A couple of minutes transit from Leeming.
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The whole thrust of the MoD “better estates” rationalisation, under which Linton is closing, was to free up Govt land for house building.
Not really practical to have Leeming based Reds practising over a new housing development is it?
The whole thrust of the MoD “better estates” rationalisation, under which Linton is closing, was to free up Govt land for house building.
Not really practical to have Leeming based Reds practising over a new housing development is it?
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The infrastructure around LOO cannot support a huge housing estate without major Infrastructure upgrades; a more likely use for the site would be as a location for a new prison, more's the pity.
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Whilst you were congratulating yourself on your Linton plan did you stop and think about the length of runways at Linton?
6000’ for the ‘long’ runway and 4400’ for the short. Currently no barriers either.
How much do you know about operating a fast jet and the length of runway required?
BV
6000’ for the ‘long’ runway and 4400’ for the short. Currently no barriers either.
How much do you know about operating a fast jet and the length of runway required?
BV
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Mind you, as Linton isn't too far from Catterick, no doubt the brown jobs are eyeing it up.
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Somewhere you can do this ?
Somewhere you can do this ?
* Or whatever it's called these days.
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OK, lets get into it. Firstly some caveats.
1. I have no idea what the plan for the Reds is and I have no opinion either since it won’t affect me in any way.
2. I should probably have said ‘FJ ops in 2019’.
I cannot see any Duty Holder being overly impressed with Hawk formations operating from a 6000’ runway (Kemble is 6500’ and at that length, that matters) with no barriers and no brake chute in dry weather let alone wet weather (it has been known to rain on occasion in North Yorkshire).
The short runway at Linton is fine as an alternate when (strong) wind permits, again if it had barriers but would not be a duty runway of choice.
So I may have been a little harsh before, based on the fact I assumed the cost of installing four barriers would be quite high, but if the Reds must move, surely an option with a longer runway and existing barriers would be preferable.
BV
1. I have no idea what the plan for the Reds is and I have no opinion either since it won’t affect me in any way.
2. I should probably have said ‘FJ ops in 2019’.
I cannot see any Duty Holder being overly impressed with Hawk formations operating from a 6000’ runway (Kemble is 6500’ and at that length, that matters) with no barriers and no brake chute in dry weather let alone wet weather (it has been known to rain on occasion in North Yorkshire).
The short runway at Linton is fine as an alternate when (strong) wind permits, again if it had barriers but would not be a duty runway of choice.
So I may have been a little harsh before, based on the fact I assumed the cost of installing four barriers would be quite high, but if the Reds must move, surely an option with a longer runway and existing barriers would be preferable.
BV
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I think the point is that the MOD isn't going to spend a fortune on a new home for the Reds hence why Wittering, Leeming and Waddington have been shortlisted. If money wasn't a problem Scampton would be staying open.
I do wonder why people mention every RAF base that has been closed in the last 40 years . Wake up and smell the coffee!
I do wonder why people mention every RAF base that has been closed in the last 40 years . Wake up and smell the coffee!
If Linton and Halton are going to close why not concentrate everything on Scampton? Lots of space for Initial Recruit training, Reds stay, Airspace restrictions don't change, maybe BBMF as a visitors centre too, close to other infrastructure Like Waddington, Cranwell and Coningsby.
I cannot see any Duty Holder being overly impressed with Hawk formations operating from a 6000’ runway (Kemble is 6500’ and at that length, that matters) with no barriers and no brake chute in dry weather let alone wet weather (it has been known to rain on occasion in North Yorkshire).
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A quick perusal of anywhere in North Yorkshire will reveal dozens of disused WW2 airfields, many with very obvious runways still extant. Pick 1/2 doz, a big blob of dayglo (red?) paint on them and you have your ground reference. Yes, you probably can't land in an emergency (well, you probably can) but the Reds display over many non-airfield locations.
A quick perusal of anywhere in North Yorkshire will reveal dozens of disused WW2 airfields, many with very obvious runways still extant. Pick 1/2 doz, a big blob of dayglo (red?) paint on them and you have your ground reference. Yes, you probably can't land in an emergency (well, you probably can) but the Reds display over many non-airfield locations.