USAF looks for new ejector seat
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You are mistaken.
We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats.
We say bail out on aircraft without them.
Just so that you understand the difference, for over 30 years the USN's primary trainer was the T-34C, which required a bail out under various conditions. For 20 or so years before that, the T-28 B and C were also bail out/parachute equipped primary training aircraft.
At the same time, the advanced trainers -- T-2, TA-4, then T-45, were all ejection seat aircraft.
Likewise the T-37/Tweet. Primary training, ejection seat, and we still say eject. Likewise in the T-6 Texan II.
Old adage among the American carrier pilots: "There are those who have ejected, and those who will."
@Herod: Our military has DOPMA, yours does not.
After 25 years, my up or out choice was to choose to stay until 28, one last assignment somewhere else, or to hang up the cleats and stay where I was.
With the kids settled in schools, and the wife finishing her degree, it was time. I was never going to be an admiral.
Bring it.
We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats.
We say bail out on aircraft without them.
Just so that you understand the difference, for over 30 years the USN's primary trainer was the T-34C, which required a bail out under various conditions. For 20 or so years before that, the T-28 B and C were also bail out/parachute equipped primary training aircraft.
At the same time, the advanced trainers -- T-2, TA-4, then T-45, were all ejection seat aircraft.
Likewise the T-37/Tweet. Primary training, ejection seat, and we still say eject. Likewise in the T-6 Texan II.
Old adage among the American carrier pilots: "There are those who have ejected, and those who will."
@Herod: Our military has DOPMA, yours does not.
After 25 years, my up or out choice was to choose to stay until 28, one last assignment somewhere else, or to hang up the cleats and stay where I was.
With the kids settled in schools, and the wife finishing her degree, it was time. I was never going to be an admiral.
Bring it.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Thread Starter
I am reminded of the old joke of the Englishman who walks up and ask an American standing in a hotel lobby, “excuse me, is this the express lift?
”Elevator”, replies the American, “we invented the elevator”.
“Lift”, responded the Englishman, “we invented the language”.
”Elevator”, replies the American, “we invented the elevator”.
“Lift”, responded the Englishman, “we invented the language”.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Thread Starter
The first ejector seat was patented by the British inventor Everard Calthrop who patented a pneumatic ejector seat in 1916.....
And don't get me started on how to spell tires....
Blimey, I didnt think I'd start all this when I posted my light-hearted comment above!
Ironically, on the V Force, as is well-known, only the pilots had ejector (sic) seats, we second-class citizens down the back had to bail out!
I remember seeing an advert for "tires" in an British magazine from the 1890s. I think a lot of these so-called "American" spellings are in fact old English spellings which we have changed but which the ever conservative Americans have retained.
Anyway, bye for now, I'm "tired"
Lonewolf; Expect incoming from TTN. I suspect he has more military time than you. And on a real aeroplane (English spelling) to boot.
We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats.
We say bail out on aircraft without them.
We say bail out on aircraft without them.
And don't get me started on how to spell tires....
Anyway, bye for now, I'm "tired"
I've flown with the USAF, and it uses "Bailout" as the command to eject. It uses "Egress" as the command to unstrap and get out in a ground emergency.
I have also flown with the US Navy and seem to recall they used the exact same terminology, but I stand ready to be corrected.
The RAF uses "Eject".
Honestly, if you're going to be such a pedant, get your own stuff right first!
I think it's safe to say this thread sums up the uselessness of this forum these days.....
I've flown with the USAF, and it uses "Bailout" as the command to eject. It uses "Egress" as the command to unstrap and get out in a ground emergency.
I have also flown with the US Navy and seem to recall they used the exact same terminology, but I stand ready to be corrected.
The RAF uses "Eject".
Honestly, if you're going to be such a pedant, get your own stuff right first!
I have also flown with the US Navy and seem to recall they used the exact same terminology, but I stand ready to be corrected.
The RAF uses "Eject".
Honestly, if you're going to be such a pedant, get your own stuff right first!
As far as the USN goes, I know I am correct. Last time I was in a T-45 it was a briefing item. The call being "eject, eject, eject."
If the USAF has for some reason chosen to call for "bail out" rather than "eject" in ejection seat aircraft, that would be a surprise to me.
It's been over a decade since I last worked a joint training program. That (alleged) difference never came up, though a variety of other differences did.
I am going on my memory over yours. How long ago is your reference from?
As thud105 pointed out:
According to Martin-Baker (who, I think we all agree, should know) they make Ejection Seats.
In a box somewhere, I've got a small caterpillar pin, and a card that shows that I have joined the caterpillar club. But that was a long time ago.
USN F/A-18 2010 (once only, hence my willingness to stand corrected).
The Air Force doesn't use 'Eject' because it doesn't want confusion on the ground when 'Egress' is called. I believe they moved that model in the 1980s when an F-4 A/C called "Egress!" during a ground emergency, but the back seater heard "Eject" and pulled the handles. Sadly, the pilot had already started to unstrap and did not survive the ejection.
USAF F-15 and F-16 starting 2002 and ending 2015.
USN F/A-18 2010 (once only, hence my willingness to stand corrected).
The Air Force doesn't use 'Eject' because it doesn't want confusion on the ground when 'Egress' is called. I believe they moved that model in the 1980s when an F-4 A/C called "Egress!" during a ground emergency, but the back seater heard "Eject" and pulled the handles. Sadly, the pilot had already started to unstrap and did not survive the ejection.
USN F/A-18 2010 (once only, hence my willingness to stand corrected).
The Air Force doesn't use 'Eject' because it doesn't want confusion on the ground when 'Egress' is called. I believe they moved that model in the 1980s when an F-4 A/C called "Egress!" during a ground emergency, but the back seater heard "Eject" and pulled the handles. Sadly, the pilot had already started to unstrap and did not survive the ejection.
The brief was that if after I heard the third "eject" I was still in the aircraft, I was late already.
