saluting a Prime Minister
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saluting a Prime Minister
A real genuine question, and no politics please, but constitutional answers only.
Watching our Prime Minister on the television, each time she passes a serviceman she gets a salute.
Since the Queen is both Head of State, and Head of the Armed Forces, and since in theory (obviously not in practice) in our (unwritten) Constitution the politicians and the Armed Forces are very separate, should a Prime Minister be saluted?
Watching our Prime Minister on the television, each time she passes a serviceman she gets a salute.
Since the Queen is both Head of State, and Head of the Armed Forces, and since in theory (obviously not in practice) in our (unwritten) Constitution the politicians and the Armed Forces are very separate, should a Prime Minister be saluted?
I'll refer to AP818 the Drill Manual. Section 2 Part 1 - 'Because of their link with the Sovereign, the following are to be paid some form of compliment: b. Governors and Ministers to whom the Sovereign delegates authority'
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I'll never forget my first salute. A newly commissioned APO, I was still 2 days short of my 18th birthday and I was walking down to the squadron on my first morning. I was saluted by a crusty old Regiment sergeant who was more than twice my age, and I very proudly returned the salute. When I got down to the squadron I told our 2 i/c that I had just had my first salute. He reminded me that when we salute we are saluting the appointment (and indirectly the monarch), not the individual. So I would have no difficulty in saluting a PM or minister of whatever political stripe - it would not imply any approval, or otherwise, of their policies.
When HM Forces salute the respect and courtesy is ultimately being shown to or for HM The Queen. Her Majesty confers and delegates this honour on named individuals through commissioning scrolls, governorships, Secretaries of State, some Lords & Members of Parliament and even a few bishops if they have been appointed to the Privy Council.
Incidentally, Diane Abbott was appointed to the Privy Council in Feb 2017, so quite a high bar.
Incidentally, Diane Abbott was appointed to the Privy Council in Feb 2017, so quite a high bar.
Until I read this I was always of the impression one saluted only holders of the Queen's/King's Commission. My pet hate is when Trump "salutes" the military, him being neither in the Services nor in uniform.
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In Gib many years ago, when the destroyer pens were still in use, I bumped into an old school friend who was on board one of HM ships and invited for drinks in the wardroom. On leaving and at the foot of the gangway, I received a very smart salute from himself and the OOW..
On other occasions and elsewhere on other ships I have seen guests receiving the same courtesy on leaving.
On other occasions and elsewhere on other ships I have seen guests receiving the same courtesy on leaving.
My pet hate is when Trump "salutes" the military, him being neither in the Services nor in uniform.
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I always understood that,in the US, the junior remained at the Salute untilit was acknowledged by the superior. Thus, hat or no hat, the superior released the junior from the salute posture.
Possibly I’m wrong, of course!
Possibly I’m wrong, of course!
Just be guided by when a gentleman would raise his hat (if such was still the fashion).
For those not strictly eligible to receive a salute, to do so is a matter of common courtesy.
.......... and don't forget, even a Field Marshal salutes a VC or GC winner!
Old Duffer
For those not strictly eligible to receive a salute, to do so is a matter of common courtesy.
.......... and don't forget, even a Field Marshal salutes a VC or GC winner!
Old Duffer
I don't believe the President is required to return salutes (which are required by regulation), even though he is the Commander in Chief. However, Ronnie, having been a junior officer in the US Army during WW2, thought it embarrassing not to return the salute. He therefore instituted the practice (note practice or custom, rather than regulation). Since then, it's been a faux pas not to return salutes. Here is Mr Obama in that scenario:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np7lObaDiBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np7lObaDiBk
In Gib many years ago, when the destroyer pens were still in use, I bumped into an old school friend who was on board one of HM ships and invited for drinks in the wardroom. On leaving and at the foot of the gangway, I received a very smart salute from himself and the OOW..
On other occasions and elsewhere on other ships I have seen guests receiving the same courtesy on leaving.
On other occasions and elsewhere on other ships I have seen guests receiving the same courtesy on leaving.
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We were taught to salute the wife of a senior officer when calling as an acknowledgement of her husband's commission and by extension as stated above.
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I hate to draws swords with you, but is that not a fairly recent thing, emulating the cousins who always salute a MoH.
Don't recall it from my training - but I was only gutter entry after all (or maybe asleep in that lecture). TTN will know I'm sure.....
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Likewise I beg to differ. We were taught (even gutter entry!) that saluting was the equivalent of raising ones hat, on greeting ANY lady.
In my bachelor junior officer youth, my salute impressed a number of young ladies...........
(of course, what constitutes a lady is also up for discussion)
.......... and don't forget, even a Field Marshal salutes a VC or GC winner!
Don't recall it from my training - but I was only gutter entry after all (or maybe asleep in that lecture). TTN will know I'm sure.....
Pontius
We were taught to salute the wife of a senior officer when calling as an acknowledgement of her husband's commission
In my bachelor junior officer youth, my salute impressed a number of young ladies...........
(of course, what constitutes a lady is also up for discussion)