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saluting a Prime Minister

Old 26th Feb 2019, 18:26
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And what constitutes a salute, too! 😉
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 18:37
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TTH, one was embarrassing the other could be pretending to be dashing hero.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 18:39
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My pet hate is when Trump "salutes" the military, him being neither in the Services nor in uniform.
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Nor is he wearing any form of headgear - or isn't that a requirement in the US?
Does a wig come massive comb over count?
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 19:38
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Well, it is Her Majesty’s Government, so ministers represent the Sovereign just as commissioned officers do. And rather higher up the food chain than most of us!
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 20:13
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Is one correct in observing a degree of casualness in the salute returned by some very senior officers?
More of a 3/4 wave of acknowledgment. rather than the hand snapped right up...?
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
We were taught to salute the wife of a senior officer when calling as an acknowledgement of her husband's commission and by extension as stated above.

On commissioning I am convinced I was taught to salute (in uniform) or remove my hat (if worn in civilian clothes) when introduced to a lady irrespective of the ladies husbands rank.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 20:36
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I seem to remember that in the RN, one salutes when in uniform, raises one's headdress when in civilian clothes but salutes when in mufti but not wearing a titfer. Also works when boarding or leaving HM Ships as you are saluting the Quarterdeck where the effigy of the Virgin used to be displayed (pre reformation obviously!).

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 21:07
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Here is Mr Obama in that scenario:
At least he had the good grace to personally make amends, something that probably meant far more to the young marine.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 21:52
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At least he had the good grace to personally make amends, something that probably meant far more to the young marine.
Yes - I thought that was very gracious - that young man will remember it for the rest of his life.
I wonder if the pilots quietly reminded POTUS.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 23:08
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and don't forget, even a Field Marshal salutes a VC or GC winner!
I hate to draws swords with you, but is that not a fairly recent thing, emulating the cousins who always salute a MoH.

Don't recall it from my training - but I was only gutter entry after all (or maybe asleep in that lecture). TTN will know I'm sure.....
Sorry to disappoint TTH, but I am not really sure how far back that tradition goes. What I do know for certain is that it is not a requirement but just a custom. One thing I did discover when doing a bit of background reading is that the Australians actually have a regulation which states that holders of the Victoria Cross are NOT to be saluted unless they are serving commissioned officers. That did surprise me, I must admit
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 06:33
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TTN may recall at Kai Tak we had a real live VC winner in Rambahadur Limbu of 1/10th GR, when things hotted up in 1967/8 and we gave a home to one of the roulement battalions (frequently GR but once 2 Para).

Drifting the Thread (as one does) one young GR officer on his first deployment to the border received very painful shrapnel wounds to his nether regions, which meant he rarely sat down and slept on his stomach for some weeks afterwards. However, he did go on to make full Colonel. However, one of his mates did get VC (I think that's what they said) during his stay in the colony. I guess it was a top secret, undercover operation in a girlie bar in Wanchai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:01
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I would NEVER salute Diane Abbott - whatever the penalty.
Also - many women "assume" their Husband's rank so I would never acknowledge them either…….
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:03
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Yes - I thought that was very gracious - that young man will remember it for the rest of his life.
I wonder if the pilots quietly reminded POTUS.
He gives a very belated truncated salute just as he enters the cabin. I guess he realized it was not really respectful and made amends. I don't think the pilots would have been able to see if he had returned the salute prior to boarding.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:08
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Exactly so O-D. (Remind me when I see you to tell you the tale of a Sgt crewman and a QA Captain in Hong Kong ....... there are some similarities!)

More recently I remember the privilege of meeting Johnson Beharry at Alrewas - although both in uniform, we were hatless in a tent so the "saluting" question didn't arise.

The meeting was enlivened (sic) by the then PM - D Cameron - repeately referring to him as "Sgt Johnson". Best sack that adviser/speechwriter Dave.......
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:45
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I didn't know that Rambahadur Limbu VC had been at Kai Tak O-D. I do remember one Ghurka commissioned officer (as opposed to QGO) who lived in the mess for a while. He had an incredibly posh Sandhurst accent and must have thought we grammar school boys were terrible oiks!

I would NEVER salute Diane Abbott - whatever the penalty.
You've missed the point, Arfur. You're not saluting her, but her appointment, and by extension the monarch.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 11:06
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Best I saw was early 70s in HQAFCENT. I was taking a German navy guy to do his arrival stuff and noticed him saluting often. I found out that at home they saluted everyone of a higher rank. As he was the equivalent of SAC (which I was), you can imagine where he came in the pecking order. There was an unwritten rule that you only saluted stars.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:07
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TTN,

Are you referring to Captain Maniprasad Rai by any chance? There was also Lt Gopal Bahadher Gurung and he and 'Mani' were Sandhurst trained. Mani's father had been the 'Gurkha Major' in the battalion sometime before.

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:24
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I see your amazing memory for names has not yet deserted you O-D! In my case I regret I don't remember the chap's name, but he was certainly a product of Sandhurst.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:49
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
You've missed the point, Arfur. You're not saluting her, but her appointment, and by extension the monarch.
I suspect he didn't as SHE might assume it was personal and not representational.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 19:09
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent View Post
I would NEVER salute Diane Abbott - whatever the penalty.
Also - many women "assume" their Husband's rank so I would never acknowledge them either…….

I'm with you Arfur. I would ignore Diane Abbott, give two fingers to Theresa May and will never sing the National Anthem when Charlie and Chlamydia get their chance . . .

Never thought I would say that, but I find I'm surprised to realise I mean every word.
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