Flightradar24

[Tedderboy]

Does anyone know if the Flightradar 24 app shows military aircraft? The reason I ask is there have been a number of occasions when out and about in Lincs when I have visually seen an RAF aircraft but it has not shown on the app. However, I have just had an '7700 alert' for an aircraft that appears to be turning and burning in the vicinity of Marham with the registration F35LTNG. I had assumed that military types would not be shown for possible security reasons?

[Tiger G]

Flightradar24 does indeed show "some" military aircraft, but is pretty rubbish in comparison to others. Try ADS-B Exchange instead. It's free, and shows more military stuff. You can even apply filters so that it only shows military stuff

[Chris Kebab]

Probably only really a security issue if it identified where it was actually headed *to*, not where it had left from and where it was right at this moment. No different to looking up in the sky and seeing it fly over really.

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Tedderboy

Does anyone know if the Flightradar 24 app shows military aircraft? The reason I ask is there have been a number of occasions when out and about in Lincs when I have visually seen an RAF aircraft but it has not shown on the app. However, I have just had an '7700 alert' for an aircraft that appears to be turning and burning in the vicinity of Marham with the registration F35LTNG. I had assumed that military types would not be shown for possible security reasons?

Unless any aircraft,civil or military, is using a Mode 'S' transponder it will not show on either FR24 or SBS-1 equipment.
As a '7700' squawk indicates an emergency (possibly for test purposes) however, it will show up.

[Dan Gerous]

I think you have to pay to get access to the military stuff.

[oldpax]

Saw an odd military one two days ago,a Thai military aircraft(737?) on a "Royal flight "coming from deepest Russia Kuy….something and heading for BKK.Perhaps a caviar run for the king?

[Doctor Cruces]

Originally Posted by Dan Gerous

I think you have to pay to get access to the military stuff.

Still free, I use it. Unfortunately, there is a "Midland Radar Overhead" type hole over Norfolk

[Just This Once...]

Brize ATC probably claim the hole over Norfolk too.

[ACW342]

F35 LTNG 7700

I watched this last night. I think, though I could stand to be corrected, that, as with "MayDay", you DON"T squawk 7700 for a "Practice Pan". As for viewing military aircraft, I can highly recommend 360 Radar. It must be good as my Raspberry Pi is feeding that site.

A342

[Ian W]

Originally Posted by Chris Kebab

Probably only really a security issue if it identified where it was actually headed *to*, not where it had left from and where it was right at this moment. No different to looking up in the sky and seeing it fly over really.

On the contrary, You should look at how much detail is in the ADS-B ES ("Extended Squitter") broadcast. It provides a lot of performance information that may not be something you want to give away, and of course it also broadcasts accurate 3D positions that give a good insight into tactics both individual and formation. The ADS-B also broadcasts the equivalent of a MAC address that provides the airframe identity. All this is information that if you were to blog it on here would get you into a lot of security issues, but there is no problem with broadcasting the information in clear every half second to anyone that cares to look inside 200 miles. Indeed thanks to Iridium and their hosted ADS-B receiver payload, your complete flight and aircraft state information as you practice high energy 2 v 2 over the North Sea is available to anyone worldwide that wants to watch - tied to specific airframes .

It really is about time someone took this seriously as we are not only dealing with enthusiasts with a Rasberry Pi and a bent coathanger antenna.

[weemonkey]

Originally Posted by Ian W

On the contrary, You should look at how much detail is in the ADS-B ES ("Extended Squitter") broadcast. It provides a lot of performance information that may not be something you want to give away, and of course it also broadcasts accurate 3D positions that give a good insight into tactics both individual and formation. The ADS-B also broadcasts the equivalent of a MAC address that provides the airframe identity. All this is information that if you were to blog it on here would get you into a lot of security issues, but there is no problem with broadcasting the information in clear every half second to anyone that cares to look inside 200 miles. Indeed thanks to Iridium and their hosted ADS-B receiver payload, your complete flight and aircraft state information as you practice high energy 2 v 2 over the North Sea is available to anyone worldwide that wants to watch - tied to specific airframes .

It really is about time someone took this seriously as we are not only dealing with enthusiasts with a Rasberry Pi and a bent coathanger antenna.

And then there's the info ORAC listed 're weather satellites and unintended elint of air defence elements (which was also poohood by the illiterate)..

[MarcK]

Originally Posted by Ian W

It really is about time someone took this seriously as we are not only dealing with enthusiasts with a Rasberry Pi and a bent coathanger antenna.

I expect MIL will just turn it off when things get serious. Just like military ships turning off AIS. Nothing could go wrong there, could it?

[Timelord]

Originally Posted by ACW342

I watched this last night. I think, though I could stand to be corrected, that, as with "MayDay", you DON"T squawk 7700 for a "Practice Pan". As for viewing military aircraft, I can highly recommend 360 Radar. It must be good as my Raspberry Pi is feeding that site.

A342

True, you never Squawk 7700 for a practice but you sometimes do
for an airborne test of the equipment ( after warning ATC)

[MFC_Fly]

Originally Posted by Timelord

True, you never Squawk 7700 for a practice but you sometimes do
for an airborne test of the equipment ( after warning ATC)

I was once asked by centre to put out a practice pan on 121.5 AND to squawk 7700, in order to train new D&D staff.

[hunterboy]

I think Ian W was alluding to the fact that aircraft performances and tactics may be able to be seen via ADS. Unless we are double bluffing and practising duff tactics in order to confuse the enemy?

[VinRouge]

Originally Posted by Dan Gerous

I think you have to pay to get access to the military stuff.

FR24 does not publish Military tracks. Period.

Also, have a look at FAA BARR programme.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...orts-under-way

It doesnt stop people using a DVB reciever, available for less than a tenner, and hooking it up to PC enthusiast software. You can typically track everything with ads-B to about 100 NM, using a coat hangar aerial. Or so I am told.

Apart from that being technically illegal in the UK, in accordance with the wireless telegraphy act 2006.

There are feeds out there, ADSBExchange being the main one, that rather nefariously, doesnt filter military tracks, which isnt great.

Fact is, genie is outside the bottle now. ADS-B will become an essential requirement, certainly for civilian airspace. Tracking is now Global, thanks to the latest Iridium constellation, launched by Space-X, having a piggyback ADS-B reciever on board. You can pay for a feed now with global coverage. Its called aireon.

[Airbubba]

Originally Posted by VinRouge

FR24 does not publish Military tracks. Period.

Are you sure about that?

Here's ZZ331, an RAF MRTT, coming home from Nellis after Red Flag 19-1.




Your can click this link to follow the uh, military track for the next several hours:

https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR2717/1f85a615

Don't tell anybody but here's yesterday's work on the Range, callsign GOLD25:

[VinRouge]

The voyagers aren’t owned by MoD though are they?

You our will see new other jets for a few weeks on FR24 Then they.... disappear.....

[Airbubba]

Originally Posted by VinRouge

FR24 does not publish Military tracks. Period.

Originally Posted by VinRouge

The voyagers aren’t owned by MoD though are they?

Maybe they don't own this F-35B over RAF Marham?

RAF jet EMERGENCY: F-35 Lightning Fighter in mid-air drama over Norfolk

AN RAF fighter jet declared a mid-air emergency during a routine flight near its base in Norfolk.

By Simon OsbornePUBLISHED: 09:50, Fri, Feb 15, 2019 | UPDATED: 18:06, Fri, Feb 15, 2019

The F-35 Lightning managed to land safely at RAF Marham after experiencing a "minor technical issue”. An RAF spokesman said: "The RAF can confirm an F35 Lightning experienced a minor technical issue during a routine flight last night. The aircraft landed safely." An emergency squawk is used to identify an aircraft with a possible issue and enables it to have priority over other air traffic.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1087675/RAF-jet-emergency-norfolk-f-35-lightning-fighter-RAF-Marham-Norfolk

[VinRouge]

there is a certain processing time before its taken off. Unfortunately, as soon as an untagged octal code is up on the spotters screens, it becomes a competition to find the tail and type relating to that code. It’s as simple as relating the track on the screen to whoever is crossing the threshold at the time. It will be taken off In due course, I am sure.

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