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MoD may destroy Mull of Kintyre Chinook crash records

Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:18
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 18:23
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Lady Hermon used to be my MP; she is an honourable person.

Why would MOD want to waste manpower sorting-out 'important' from 'un-important' records? Nothing short of complete retention of all existing records is good enough.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 14:55
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Accepting that the attitudes have changed in the UK MoD since the time of the accident, I find it very sad that in the current climate of a 'just culture' the potential for destroying these files, which represent a sad chapter of injustice, should exist.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 07:41
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Accepting that the attitudes have changed in the UK MoD since the time of the accident, I find it very sad that in the current climate of a 'just culture' the potential for destroying these files, which represent a sad chapter of injustice, should exist.

While I would agree that the Gross Negligence that enabled a knowingly Grossly Unairworthy Fleet to receive an RTS and be put into Squadron Service, even while still being evaluated by Boscombe Down (who stopped testing and grounded their own test aircraft, urging the RAF to do the same), would make repetition unlikely, the cover up by the MOD and the RAF High Command continues unhindered. It is that very cover up that threatens destruction of the remaining 'unimportant' records of this tragedy.

We may append as many comforting words and titles as we please; just culture, Military Aviation Authority, independent, etc, but they are seen for what they are when an operator, investigator, regulator, are one and the same (aka the MOD) and can destroy such records at its whim.

This accident, more than any other, spells out 25 years on the dysfunctional mess that is UK Military Air Safety. These records must be rescued intact from the MOD's grip as per the OP. Military Air Regulation and Investigation must be made truly independent of the MOD and of each other.

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Old 25th Feb 2019, 19:12
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MOD may destroy Mull of Kintyre Chinook crash records

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 06:59
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More from Hansards yesteday:


Lord Foulkes of Cumnock Labour

To ask Her Majesty's Government, further to the Written Answer by Earl Howeon 7 February (HL13095), whether a Fatal Accident Inquiry was carried out into any of those deaths; and if so, which.

Earl HoweThe Minister of State, Ministry of Defence, Deputy Leader of the House of Lords

There was a Fatal Accident Inquiry (FAI) carried out following the crash of a Chinook in June 1994 on the Mull of Kintyre which concluded it was impossible to establish the exact cause of the crash.

Since the formation of the Ministry of Defence (MOD) Inquest Unit (DIU) in 2008 there have been no FAIs. Before the formation of the DIU, Inquests were dealt with by the individual Services (Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force), the DIU does not have access to any records that may have been retained from this period. It is, however, unlikely that these records have been retained under the MOD records retention policy which is normally five years from date of opening.

We have held discussions with the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscals Service (COPFS), to determine if there any other FAIs have been held. COPFS have advised it is not possible to confirm how many FAIs have taken place into military deaths in Scotland since 1990. The COPFS database is based on individual specific information i.e. name, date of birth, date of death and not on occupation. It is not searchable on occupation and we are advised that any search would also return deaths of individuals from natural causes, which could amount to many hundreds of records and would need to be manually searched. This information could be provided only at disproportionate cost.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 08:10
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 08:37
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 09:18
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Down an Ex-salt mine or radon city for the last 17 years ? How much will still be legible ?


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Old 7th Mar 2019, 21:53
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Fond memories of my old O.C. Bob 'Fire Eater' Burke sticking it up 'em- they didn't like it much!
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 01:05
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As many people have said or suggested on this site before, ``the only reason why the crash & other records would be destroyed, is because there is something in there, the powers that be, do not want us to know about`` Think Security.
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