Slingsby Type 31/ Cadet TX Mk.3
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Hi Chevron, photographer Keith asked me to be at exactly that height and place for the landing shots, with some spoiler deployed for the photos - I'm just following the brief! It wasn't a bad landing though.
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Much enjoyed your article & all the banter on here.
Interesting to note the number of launches vs small number of hours!
We were so lucky to fly so much - unlike the cadets at the moment.
Happy Memories!
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First flight at 621 at Weston on the Mud in the barge WB991 and several subsequent AEG flights in Mk3s before solo in WB922 (The Royal Barge) at Syerston after 4 days training on 12.8.81...
Went on to be a Staff Cadet at 621 VGS for 6 years... We used the Barge(T21) for AEG and all training was in the Mk3. At our peak we had 4 Mk3s(XA310, XA308, WT877, XN240) and one barge(WB991).
Someone mentioned Dawn to Dusks: I think we did 303 launches in '83(?) as a 2 winch school. This included a fair amount of normal training with landing all over the field as well as 'spot landings' for the AEG stuff. In the last hour I think we did 53 launches by which time we were landing on the waiting cable and keeping the same crew to break the 300 barrier. I think my total was 48 launches with the first one at sunrise and one of the last at sunset! We lost some time early afternoon due to a snarl-up I seem to remember... I also remember someone had wired up the rubber headsets to play music from a Walkman so we took off on the first launch with 'To The Unknown Man' playing in our ears
I also remember one of our Landys used to be a hearse and had a hand-throttle which meant we could set off with the Mk3 trailer on the back, set the hand throttle and climb back onto the trailer and influence direction(steering is too grand a term for it
)by using winch strops wrapped through the steering wheel.
Happy days...
Strangely enough, our 621 Vintage group still has WB922 flying and XA310 too!
Went on to be a Staff Cadet at 621 VGS for 6 years... We used the Barge(T21) for AEG and all training was in the Mk3. At our peak we had 4 Mk3s(XA310, XA308, WT877, XN240) and one barge(WB991).
Someone mentioned Dawn to Dusks: I think we did 303 launches in '83(?) as a 2 winch school. This included a fair amount of normal training with landing all over the field as well as 'spot landings' for the AEG stuff. In the last hour I think we did 53 launches by which time we were landing on the waiting cable and keeping the same crew to break the 300 barrier. I think my total was 48 launches with the first one at sunrise and one of the last at sunset! We lost some time early afternoon due to a snarl-up I seem to remember... I also remember someone had wired up the rubber headsets to play music from a Walkman so we took off on the first launch with 'To The Unknown Man' playing in our ears
I also remember one of our Landys used to be a hearse and had a hand-throttle which meant we could set off with the Mk3 trailer on the back, set the hand throttle and climb back onto the trailer and influence direction(steering is too grand a term for it
)by using winch strops wrapped through the steering wheel.Happy days...
Strangely enough, our 621 Vintage group still has WB922 flying and XA310 too!
Originally Posted by Fitter2
Are the spoilers there as an approach aid? I always thought they were only there so I could twitch the individual cables by my left shoulder to simulate turbulence (or unsettle an over-confident pupil)
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I flew in T21 WB932 and T31 XA286 and XA311 at Kenley in 1983. Went solo on XA311. Went on to fly at Lasham 1987 - 1992 before giving up when I bought a house.
Resumed flying when I moved to California in 1999 and ended up owning 2 gliders (DG300 and Discus CS) in CA and then in Texas. Last flight was in 2010 due to a growing family. I didn't feel safe not flying regularly, plus 2 friends were killed in quick succession in gliding accidents (probably medical causes on both).
Strange co-incidence. Drove my DG300 up to Minden for a weeks flying in 2000 and ran into one of my original Kenley instructors on a flying vacation. Ended up sharing a house for the week. Small world.
We had a T21 at our Texas club for a while - didn't get a flight in in though, but it brought back memories.
Paul
Resumed flying when I moved to California in 1999 and ended up owning 2 gliders (DG300 and Discus CS) in CA and then in Texas. Last flight was in 2010 due to a growing family. I didn't feel safe not flying regularly, plus 2 friends were killed in quick succession in gliding accidents (probably medical causes on both).
Strange co-incidence. Drove my DG300 up to Minden for a weeks flying in 2000 and ran into one of my original Kenley instructors on a flying vacation. Ended up sharing a house for the week. Small world.
We had a T21 at our Texas club for a while - didn't get a flight in in though, but it brought back memories.
Paul
Originally Posted by longer ron
All the Mk3's at 613 had spoilers by 1970.
This was followed by, I think, WT 913 a few months later.
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Thanks Dave.
Spring 1968 at Spitlegate. First launch 5 min in a Barge learning how to fly. Then nineteen 3 min dual launches in a Mk 3 culminating in the A&B 3 solos.
Done over half a dozen weekends requiring 2 busses, 2 trains and half a mile hike up the hill from Grantham Station to Spitlegate after school on Friday.
Oh, and what an eye-opener the WRAF recruit depot on a Friday night was for a 16 year old schoolboy.
Spring 1968 at Spitlegate. First launch 5 min in a Barge learning how to fly. Then nineteen 3 min dual launches in a Mk 3 culminating in the A&B 3 solos.
Done over half a dozen weekends requiring 2 busses, 2 trains and half a mile hike up the hill from Grantham Station to Spitlegate after school on Friday.
Oh, and what an eye-opener the WRAF recruit depot on a Friday night was for a 16 year old schoolboy.
Hi Airclues, you must have been there at the same time as little me. Brian Speckley who became national gliding champion was also dipping his toes in the water at that time
Spoilers or no
The real benefit of NOT having spoilers was the ability to learn precision side slipping which became very useful later when one had to do PFL's in non flapped powered machines.
In a real emergency the ability to side slip safely really does make a difference when landing over obstacles or in a limited space.
Of course it was all covered in basic training up to advent of the flapped monoplane types.
In a real emergency the ability to side slip safely really does make a difference when landing over obstacles or in a limited space.
Of course it was all covered in basic training up to advent of the flapped monoplane types.
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Exactly Pobjoy - being able to side-slip accurately is a very useful tool! So chuffed at all the reminisces here (and I know the Editor has also received a very full postbag of T.31 memories). For anyone that's interested, I followed up the T.31 feature with a test of this beauty!
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Spot-on Ron - and it really was lovely to fly! One with an electric engine and say 90 minutes of battery would make the most wonderful toy - you could scratch down to just a couple of hundred feet (over a sensible field of course) and know the motor would work, unlike a petrol engine!
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617GS Hendon. Not a bad landing! A winch cable was dropping onto the glider and the winch operator was trying to reel it in at high speed.. Result an efficient saw!
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I was going to suggest the SFS 31 Milan for 'SIY but realised it's not an RF-4 fuselage. RF-4 - there is an aeroplane I'd like - and not just the LDM kit somewhere in my loft... and not the Phantom either...
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Hi Treaders, from what I hear I don't think the RF-4 soars as nicely as the -14, but the -31 does.
Digressing slightly I was a little disappointed that no one on here had ever flown WT900, and interestingly for next month's Pilot I'm also testing an ex-mil machine.
Anyone on here ever fly VX924?
Digressing slightly I was a little disappointed that no one on here had ever flown WT900, and interestingly for next month's Pilot I'm also testing an ex-mil machine.
Anyone on here ever fly VX924?
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Originally Posted by chevvron
You shouldn't need the spoilers that low down.
The majority of Mk 3s we had at 613 Halton didn't even have spoliers so you had to learn to judge your landings correctly.
The majority of Mk 3s we had at 613 Halton didn't even have spoliers so you had to learn to judge your landings correctly.
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly
In early 1965 I had three Air Experience flights in a Mk3, but I'm struggling to remember where they took place. My RAF Form 3822 records the glider number as 253, and at the time I was a member of 1166 (Welwyn Garden City) ATC Sqn. Would Halton have been the most likely?
Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
It did get repaired as WT913 was one of the two aircraft that I flew while doing my Gliding Course in 1983 with 614VGS at Weathersfield. Actually Soloed in WT917.
My last ever Mk 3 flight was in XE790 from Halton in Jun '79.
