Red Arrows on channel 5 - 'Kings Of The Sky'
Kings of the sky
>>> rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff. <<<
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
Indeed, Sleeve Wing. But it is indeed an excellent programme.
Blacksheep, I'm not saying that everyone should speak like Jacob Rees-Mogg. But lazy 'estuary' English which has no real regional origin is to be deplored.
Another pet hate: 'garage' pronounced as 'garridge' - which it seems is now part of the Islington luvvies' lexicon. Even the Americans pronounce it guh'rarge.
Teachers, please take your pupils' phones off them and beat them into the correct use of English. Like...
Blacksheep, I'm not saying that everyone should speak like Jacob Rees-Mogg. But lazy 'estuary' English which has no real regional origin is to be deplored.
Another pet hate: 'garage' pronounced as 'garridge' - which it seems is now part of the Islington luvvies' lexicon. Even the Americans pronounce it guh'rarge.
Teachers, please take your pupils' phones off them and beat them into the correct use of English. Like...
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So, to carry on the theme, 'breggsit' really irritates me.
Very much enjoying the series. When they said last week that they were selecting TWO new pilots, I guess they were assuming Starky would be back this year?
Very much enjoying the series. When they said last week that they were selecting TWO new pilots, I guess they were assuming Starky would be back this year?
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"Outside of", anyone? Utterly endemic these days, even on the Beeb. 
English is a developing borrowing language and change is inevitable, especially so with the rise of global media. If it were not, we would still be using Dr Johnsons dictionary - but not the one Baldrick burned. I'm a native English speaker, but having lived overseas for the last 16 years, my language had changed slightly with my environment. For example, I often use 'cheque' (not check!) instead of bill and my accent must have changed as I'm sometimes mistaken for being Australian (horror of horrors!). Change is inevitable - you can't resist it!
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>>> rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff. <<<
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
A "barrel roll" is a rolling manoeuvre that is quite lazy and gentle and describes a path that you could imagine being around a barrel in the sky. A 4 point roll describes a roll maintaining the same height and direction but stopping (momentarily) at each 90 degrees of the roll ie after the first stop you are "knife edge" - the second stop you are inverted etc etc. There is no such thing as a "4-point barrel roll".
The Reds expect the highest level of flying ability from Team members. Anyone guilty of anything questionable is dropped immediately and replaced (or the Team carries on with 8). Some scrapes are accepted as risks (Synchro mid air with Montenegro and Ling) but stuff up a forced landing or turn back and you're gone. The Valley incident was such a very unfortunate accident but the surviving pilot will not return to the Reds IMHO. I hope he does actually.
The Reds expect the highest level of flying ability from Team members. Anyone guilty of anything questionable is dropped immediately and replaced (or the Team carries on with 8). Some scrapes are accepted as risks (Synchro mid air with Montenegro and Ling) but stuff up a forced landing or turn back and you're gone. The Valley incident was such a very unfortunate accident but the surviving pilot will not return to the Reds IMHO. I hope he does actually.
Just been watching this on ‘catch up tv’ and really enjoying it. I got a bit wound up about the 4 pt barrel roll, but i’ve managed to let that go! Watched them a lot when at Scampton and Cranwell - plenty to admire. Big aviation highlight for me - back seat in Red 1 for a full display practice. Eclat indeed
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A "barrel roll" is a rolling manoeuvre that is quite lazy and gentle and describes a path that you could imagine being around a barrel in the sky. A 4 point roll describes a roll maintaining the same height and direction but stopping (momentarily) at each 90 degrees of the roll ie after the first stop you are "knife edge" - the second stop you are inverted etc etc. There is no such thing as a "4-point barrel roll".
Can you give one example of when this has happened?
Curly Hurst
Spike Newbury
Dicky Edwards
Starky
Pete Collins
Dan Findlay
Even the great Lingy moved from R6 to R10
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