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Red Arrows on channel 5 - 'Kings Of The Sky'

Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:48
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Combat ready?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
I was actually admiring the office accommodation for a flt lt, which in my day as a wg cdr at MoD had 5 senior officers in about that space!!
After I retired, I recall visiting an old mate at HQSTC on business. He was an Engineer Gp Capt by this time. He was in a very small outer office with another Gp Capt along side him. They were 'supervised' by a mid grade civil servant who had her own inner office.

Progress I guess?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:30
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FWIW - and far more emotively I hold the belief, rightly or wrongly, that only a subset of those with campaign medals will actually be combat veterans as the criteria for award rarely features combat. I would define a combat veteran as anyone who was within effective weapons range of hostiles during fighting, or similar.

Excellent programme.
I'm interested in your definition Orca (and certainly not wishing to pick a fight), but by extension to your definition, most RAF FJ pilots from the Shader era are not "combat veterans" despite having dropped live weapons on to hostile forces (who may indeed be in contact with friendly forces at the time). I think a few people (not least a few DFC recipients) might choose to disagree?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:04
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How did they drop weapons on people if they weren’t within effective weapons range?

If they were employing lethal force then they were certainly fighting within effective weapon range.

My definition probably falls down when it comes to the drone community. Maybe I should have just said that a combat vet is exactly that, not someone who spent time in a JOA.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:19
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My bad, I thought you meant effective weapons range of an enemy weapons system! Drone operators will always be a challenignc one to define I agree, though I've absolute respect for what they do/go through.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 07:13
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orca wrote:
I would define a combat veteran as anyone who was within effective weapons range of hostiles during fighting, or similar.
Such as everyone subjected to Scud attacks in GW1? Not a particularly good determinant...

It is indeed a very good programme - this week's will be very interesting.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:04
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
orca wrote:

Such as everyone subjected to Scud attacks in GW1? Not a particularly good determinant...

It is indeed a very good programme - this week's will be very interesting.
I was thinking along similar lines to BEagle.
I was on the receiving end of Scuds at Dharhan but I wouldn't consider myself a combat veteran. I think that's stretching the definition.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 11:47
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Without wanting to labour the point Beagle, Tashengurt - if you (or anyone else) came under an attack then you were within effective weapons range...

I would, however like to apologise for my part in definition/ pedantry/ thread drift etc which has spawned from simply pointing out that the voice over was incorrect in an otherwise great programme.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:17
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Nicely done without being over the top. I may even head to Scampton this afternoon to watch if anyone knows which slot they’re using.

Eclat means brilliant.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 21:01
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Bravo Zulu to the film makers. That was a difficult subject tastefully and respectfully done.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 11:10
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Did Starky not recover sufficiently to rejoin the team for 2019?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Timelord View Post
Bravo Zulu to the film makers. That was a difficult subject tastefully and respectfully done.

Couldn’t agree more.👍
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 13:19
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Originally Posted by Parson View Post
Did Starky not recover sufficiently to rejoin the team for 2019?

He is not included in the Team:

https://www.raf.mod.uk/display-teams...isplay-season/
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 18:40
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DON T - yeah i know, thats why I asked. I was wondering if he hadnt recovered sufficiently to rejoin.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 13:30
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Just watched the latest which I recorded and somewhat disappointed to hear the leader pronounce schedule as skedule

Got off a BA flight ( A320 ) where the F/O who was flying it stood by the door when we were offloading at LHR ( When did they start doing that? ) who likewise pronounced it as skedule. I probably embarrassed him by pointing out the errors of his ways poor lad. I keep hearing it on BBC too from people who should know better.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 14:11
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Just watched the latest which I recorded and somewhat disappointed to hear the leader pronounce schedule as skedule

Got off a BA flight ( A320 ) where the F/O who was flying it stood by the door when we were offloading at LHR ( When did they start doing that? ) who likewise pronounced it as skedule. I probably embarrassed him by pointing out the errors of his ways poor lad. I keep hearing it on BBC too from people who should know better.
No, you just embarressed yourself...
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 16:14
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Just watched the latest which I recorded and somewhat disappointed to hear the leader pronounce schedule as skedule
In reply to which our American friends ask: "So why do you Brits say 'skool'?"
Anyway, excellent effort by Channel 5, for a change.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 20:16
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Bastardisation of the English language is deplorable - even the BBC has dropped its RP standards due to the Islington metrognomes and the influence of meeja-city Northern English accents. Tha' knaws

A few examples:
'Reeesearch' instead of 'Rissearch'
"I'm good" instead of "I'm well" or "I'm fine"
Americans stress the wrong word in 2 word phrases such as 'Robin Hood' or 'Top Gear'- so now the BBC uses 'TOPgear' instead of 'TopGEAR'

thegypsy, I trust you cuffed the young sprog about the swede and banned him from making any PAannouncements until he'd learned to speak proper Nigel-speak?

Anyway, back to the plot as Kenny Everett would say. The Channel 5 'Kings of the Sky' programme really is rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by thegypsy View Post
Just watched the latest which I recorded and somewhat disappointed to hear the leader pronounce schedule as skedule

Got off a BA flight ( A320 ) where the F/O who was flying it stood by the door when we were offloading at LHR ( When did they start doing that? ) who likewise pronounced it as skedule. I probably embarrassed him by pointing out the errors of his ways poor lad. I keep hearing it on BBC too from people who should know better.
If that's all the constructive criticism that can possibly be cited, I think the lads on the Team will (and should) be pretty chuffed with how they've come across. PS. I bet you're an absolute Schream to hang around with.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 21:35
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Bastardisation of the English language is deplorable - even the BBC has dropped its RP standards due to the Islington metrognomes and the influence of meeja-city Northern English accents. Tha' knaws
Language is, was, and always will be an evolving means of communication. Not a set in stone museum piece. If you personally cannot, or will not, accept or adapt to it then maybe you are just above your station or alternatively your era is past and you should maybe just be quiet?
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