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Old 17th Dec 2018, 11:19
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Originally Posted by ACW342 View Post
So does this mean that “ground Control Centres should not be flown in such proximity to other Ground Control Centres as to create a danger of collision”. I do believe that sometimes people make things sound more "Technical" than need be. In this case I think I detect the scent of "Male Bovine Faces"
Exactly, it's not the Air System that's flying, it's the Aircraft part of the Air System be that manned or otherwise.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 16:12
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Around here, they are Uptycopters.
Nonsense. Any fule knows they are called Jellyfloppers.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 11:17
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"Morning Chief, how many Air systems can we generate today?"
"Errr... three desk fans, one air conditioning unit, one fan oven, one hot airgun, two air start trollies and ermm... ahhh yes four aircraft"

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 12:32
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Well for sure "Choppers" is out as that is so Sexist.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 08:18
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My guess is that these people are so detached from reality that writing this sort of nonsense allows them to avoid any chance of contact with an aircraft ( sorry air system ) and therefore avoiding making any decisions that might be difficult to or involve and risk to their careers.

The question I would like to ask of my MP is why with so many failings of the military airworthiness system are we employing muppets to write this stuff rather than fix the airworthiness system ?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 10:39
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It's easier to produce documents about fully airworthy air systems than it is to produce fully airworthy air systems.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:07
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I think that if a comparison is made between the number of traditional aircraft types and the number of RPAS/UAVS/Drones in design, build or Service, it will become apparent that there are many more of the latter which explains why "Air System" was chosen. A few years ago, the Army in particular had large numbers of unmanned projects on the go and their compliance with regs wasn't the best. One unmanned program was described to me as like "procuring a Land Rover with wings".


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Old 19th Dec 2018, 15:22
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We first saw this bollox in the early 2000s with the first UKSAR bid - some genius from the school of blue-sky thinking decided that a replacement for Mil SAR helicopters didn't have to be different SAR helicopters - it could be a balloon or dirigible so the term Air System was used. WAFLOB.......ask an SH crewman if you can't work it out
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 16:32
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In the A400 world we went from SRM to ASR, according to the Airbus web site they're not too sure if it means Air vehicle or Aircraft Structural Repair Manual
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:15
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Todays Telegraph - 'Civil Enforcement Officer = Traffic Warden'
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 15:16
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There were Air Systems at quite a few RAF Control Towers, especially where Met. lived down stairs ............... obs, specials and twarnings were shot upwards by Lamson tubes.
The occasional liaison with a WAAF was also arranged thereby.

The tubes could transport a modest quantity of jelly beans or alternatives to taste.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 16:19
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The US Coast Guard sent pilots and other ranks to Lakehurst, New Jersey for Blimp Training in 1945....so yes...SAR can be done by other than a helicopter.

During WWII....the US Navy used Blimps for SAR and other duties.....the K Model had a 59 hour Fuel Endurance and carried Radar.


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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:29
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This nonsense started i the 70's when I was at Border Radar. We couldn't declare the radar 'Un-serviceable', it had to "Essential Facility Lost".

I always wondered where it had got to!
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:53
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You should have sent it to us JRFD, we had a magic cupboard that our Chief used to shove broken ground equipment stuff in, then pulled it out months later when we were desperate and would say try that, and blow me it worked..... for about 5 mins.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 18:14
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What's particularly irritating about this is that if the MAA had referred to ICAO materials (Annex 2 I believe) they'd have discovered that unmanned aircraft (there's a clue in there) are classed as aircraft...
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:41
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As per the ground pounders who call the L85 rifle a ‘weapon system’.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 15:15
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Even the Verey pistols used by ATC are now referred to as Weapon Systems.
"Weapon fires, weapon stops!" Imagine that.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 02:31
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Ok, we've agreed that it's a bad idea to drive your GCS through controlled airspace, but where on the ramp can we park it?
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 15:32
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"Even the Verey pistols used by ATC are now referred to as Weapon Systems"

As are the miniflares that I carry in my LSJ. Which also includes the delight of a weapon handling test every 6 months for currency. Lapse on this BCR and I will automatically be grounded until I re-pass the test!

Oh, and while I'm here, we had a period a few years ago when the fleet was temporarily grounded - except it was called an 'Operational Pause' because mid level leadership were frightened to be associated with failure to generate aircraft.

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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Il Duce View Post
Do the Royal Navy operate "Water Systems" or "Aquatic Systems"?
Don't forget the Army’s “Terestial Mobility Systems”!
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