Russian Carrier woes.
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Russian Carrier woes.
Admiral Kuznetsov damaged during refit, after being attacked by a crane from a floating dock.
https://abcnews.go.com/International...ident-58843906
https://abcnews.go.com/International...ident-58843906
Russian news are reporting 4 seriously injured and 1 missing as a result of the incident.
I hope we have better news of the missing sailor in the morning but I suspect that's rather hopeful.
I hope we have better news of the missing sailor in the morning but I suspect that's rather hopeful.
Suspicion breeds confidence
You don't even have to sink that thing, just the ocean going tug that pulls it around. Its just a joke and we all laugh at it. The CdeG seems credible next to it.
Maybe cheaper to ask the Chinese, nicely. "Can we have the Varyag, er, Liaoning back?"
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How do you sink a floating dock, anyway?
Take the plugs out ?? 
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Let us hope that this is not seen as an excuse for invading more of the Ukraine, to take back control of the shipyard she was built in.
On the other hand is that worth doing as would she actually make it to the Black Sea?
On the other hand is that worth doing as would she actually make it to the Black Sea?
Well, floating docks are designed to sink after a fashion, it's just a matter of degree I suppose.
Let's not forget the RN came within a gnat's nadgers of sinking HMS Endurance a few years back. She only just survived by pure luck - though to be written off.
It can happen, even to the best.
Let's not forget the RN came within a gnat's nadgers of sinking HMS Endurance a few years back. She only just survived by pure luck - though to be written off.
It can happen, even to the best.
Suspicion breeds confidence
Floating docks are very dodgy things. They need power to keep them afloat. In 1942 HMS Valiant was badly damaged when the floating dock it was in sank.
I had never heard of the HMS Endurance incident. I looked it up:
BBC News - HMS Endurance flood a 'near loss' incident, report says
BBC News - HMS Endurance flood a 'near loss' incident, report says
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Interesting article on the sinking and it’s consequences.....
Russia's Dry Dock Accident Could Have Far Larger Repercussions Than A Damaged Carrier - The Drive
Russia's Dry Dock Accident Could Have Far Larger Repercussions Than A Damaged Carrier - The Drive
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Oh, that is one BIG problem they’ve got!
Eggs and baskets springs to mind, especially if typically the critical basket isn’t well maintained.
Eggs and baskets springs to mind, especially if typically the critical basket isn’t well maintained.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...shap-t8vp37bcr
Russia faces loss of its only aircraft carrier after crane mishap
Russia could be without an aircraft carrier for the first time in more than four decades after an accident during repairs in the Arctic left a hole in its flight deck.
Admiral Kuznetsov was damaged after the floating dock where it was being worked on sank last week, causing a 70-tonne crane to crash on to the vessel, killing one person and critically injured two others. Russian officials have downplayed the damage to the ship, but admit that the crane tore a 5m (16ft) hole in its deck. A week after the accident near Murmansk, pictures that emerged yesterday showed the crane still lying on the flight deck.
The carrier’s woes have sparked predictions that it could be scrapped. It has been transferred to another shipyard, where an unnamed engineer told the local website b-port.com that it was unclear how long repairs would take. “It’s not realistic right now to assess the damage caused,” the engineer said.
The vessel, commissioned by the Soviet navy in 1985, has a long history of technical problems and was undergoing a multimillion-pound upgrade. It is due to go back in service in 2021. The carrier was deployed to the Mediterranean in 2016 to support Russian airstrikes against Syrian rebels, and was dubbed the “ship of shame” by Michael Fallon, defence secretary, when it returned through the English Channel.
Repairs to Admiral Kuznetsov will be hugely complicated by the sinking of the dry dock, which was built for the Soviet Union by Sweden in the 1980s. One of the largest such facilities in the world at 330m long, it is reported to be the only dry dock in Russia big enough to accommodate the carrier.
“The Admiral Kuznetsov, it appears, has come to the end of its life,” wrote Sergei Kravchuk, a columnist with the opposition-friendly Snob website.
Novaya Gazeta, Russia’s oldest independent newspaper, claimed that Moscow had intended to send Admiral Kuznetsov into the waters off the western Norway during Nato military exercises, the biggest since the Cold War, which are due to end tomorrow. “But now it stands, lame and lop-sided, with a hole 4x5 metres, and the accident is an example of Russia’s monstrous technical degradation,” wrote Yulia Latynina, a columnist for the newspaper.
The Soviet Union’s first aircraft carrier, Kiev, entered service in 1975, before being sold to China in 1996, where it was converted into a luxury hotel.
Russia faces loss of its only aircraft carrier after crane mishap
Russia could be without an aircraft carrier for the first time in more than four decades after an accident during repairs in the Arctic left a hole in its flight deck.
Admiral Kuznetsov was damaged after the floating dock where it was being worked on sank last week, causing a 70-tonne crane to crash on to the vessel, killing one person and critically injured two others. Russian officials have downplayed the damage to the ship, but admit that the crane tore a 5m (16ft) hole in its deck. A week after the accident near Murmansk, pictures that emerged yesterday showed the crane still lying on the flight deck.
The carrier’s woes have sparked predictions that it could be scrapped. It has been transferred to another shipyard, where an unnamed engineer told the local website b-port.com that it was unclear how long repairs would take. “It’s not realistic right now to assess the damage caused,” the engineer said.
The vessel, commissioned by the Soviet navy in 1985, has a long history of technical problems and was undergoing a multimillion-pound upgrade. It is due to go back in service in 2021. The carrier was deployed to the Mediterranean in 2016 to support Russian airstrikes against Syrian rebels, and was dubbed the “ship of shame” by Michael Fallon, defence secretary, when it returned through the English Channel.
Repairs to Admiral Kuznetsov will be hugely complicated by the sinking of the dry dock, which was built for the Soviet Union by Sweden in the 1980s. One of the largest such facilities in the world at 330m long, it is reported to be the only dry dock in Russia big enough to accommodate the carrier.
“The Admiral Kuznetsov, it appears, has come to the end of its life,” wrote Sergei Kravchuk, a columnist with the opposition-friendly Snob website.
Novaya Gazeta, Russia’s oldest independent newspaper, claimed that Moscow had intended to send Admiral Kuznetsov into the waters off the western Norway during Nato military exercises, the biggest since the Cold War, which are due to end tomorrow. “But now it stands, lame and lop-sided, with a hole 4x5 metres, and the accident is an example of Russia’s monstrous technical degradation,” wrote Yulia Latynina, a columnist for the newspaper.
The Soviet Union’s first aircraft carrier, Kiev, entered service in 1975, before being sold to China in 1996, where it was converted into a luxury hotel.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
ORAC, some contradictions in that article. Without a carrier - operate west of Norway - in refit until 2021.
They were or were not wthout a carrier.
It was or it wasn't going to operate west of Norway.
It was or wasn't in refit fit 3 years.
They were or were not wthout a carrier.
It was or it wasn't going to operate west of Norway.
It was or wasn't in refit fit 3 years.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...yard-hdpjmxgx6
Russia’s only aircraft carrier could be heading for scrapyard
Russia’s only aircraft carrier could be decommissioned because there is no way to repair it.
The Admiral Kuznetsov was taken out of service temporarily last year and is moored at a shipyard in Murmansk, in the northwest of the country. Work had to be halted in October when the PD-50 floating dock to which the ship was attached flooded and sank after a power cut. A 70-tonne crane on the dock collapsed on the aircraft carrier, gouging a 15ft hole in its deck......
The Izvestiya newspaper reported that the fate of the carrier was in doubt because there was no suitable replacement for the PD-50, one of the biggest floating docks in the world. A similar one, the PD-41, is stationed thousands of miles away in Russia’s Far East, making it an unrealistic alternative. The carrier could potentially go to a commercial dry dock in Belokamenka, near Murmansk, for its multimillion-pound refit, which was scheduled to be completed by 2021. However, it is unclear if the yard there is big enough, or if it can accept a military ship.
There are questions about whether it is worth repairing the ageing carrier, launched in 1985, at all. “Not everyone thinks that continuing the refit is expedient,” a military source told Izvestiya. “There are differing opinions, including those who think that it would be better to use the money to build a pair of frigates and an atomic submarine.”......
Russia’s only aircraft carrier could be heading for scrapyard
Russia’s only aircraft carrier could be decommissioned because there is no way to repair it.
The Admiral Kuznetsov was taken out of service temporarily last year and is moored at a shipyard in Murmansk, in the northwest of the country. Work had to be halted in October when the PD-50 floating dock to which the ship was attached flooded and sank after a power cut. A 70-tonne crane on the dock collapsed on the aircraft carrier, gouging a 15ft hole in its deck......
The Izvestiya newspaper reported that the fate of the carrier was in doubt because there was no suitable replacement for the PD-50, one of the biggest floating docks in the world. A similar one, the PD-41, is stationed thousands of miles away in Russia’s Far East, making it an unrealistic alternative. The carrier could potentially go to a commercial dry dock in Belokamenka, near Murmansk, for its multimillion-pound refit, which was scheduled to be completed by 2021. However, it is unclear if the yard there is big enough, or if it can accept a military ship.
There are questions about whether it is worth repairing the ageing carrier, launched in 1985, at all. “Not everyone thinks that continuing the refit is expedient,” a military source told Izvestiya. “There are differing opinions, including those who think that it would be better to use the money to build a pair of frigates and an atomic submarine.”......
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Thanks for posting that update, ORAC. I'm not sure how Putin will like losing a vanity project, which might imply decline of Mother Russia.