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First Joint Graduation at RAFC Cranwell

Old 5th Oct 2018, 22:21
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First Joint Graduation at RAFC Cranwell

I notice that we had a joint graduation at Cranwell during the week with Recruits, CWO and Officer Cadets all graduating from the same parade.

Good to see a full parade square again, but hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.
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Well I suppose they have to do something with the Old place! Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, I’m disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!
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Well I suppose they have to do something with the Old place! Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, I’m disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!
I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?

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newt wrote:
Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, Iím disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!
And at Leeming, Linton-on-Ouse and Syerston even in my first year at RAFC...

What's at RAFC Cranwell these days? A few Ford Prefects and 3 Phenoms?
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I thought it was to celebrate RAF100 not a new regular policy.
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Yes it was for RAF 100, but it's good practice for the future if recruit training is still moving back to Lincolnshire.
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Originally Posted by Yellow Sun


I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?

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Memory can play tricks as we are finding out this week in the Senate. So I am a little sceptical.

To have 32 JPs airborne, at the same time, with an average sortie length of 1 hour requires a launch rate of 32 aircraft per hour: one ac every 2 min.

We were certainly far busier back in the day but I donít recall launching anything like that number unless perhaps for a College Grad - even then 32 ac would seem unlikely.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01
hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.
Like the closure of RAF Halton that was announced in Nov 2017?
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Originally Posted by Dutystude

Memory can play tricks as we are finding out this week in the Senate. So I am a little sceptical.

To have 32 JPs airborne, at the same time, with an average sortie length of 1 hour requires a launch rate of 32 aircraft per hour: one ac every 2 min.

We were certainly far busier back in the day but I don’t recall launching anything like that number unless perhaps for a College Grad - even then 32 ac would seem unlikely.
I will concede that time dims the recollection, however it sticks in my mind that the number of aircraft airborne was exceptional. It was not only JPs, but CAW Dominies. Friday afternoon may have been exceptional for them as well! It was also the period when CFS were resident at Cranwell and that increased the numbers.

Whatever, it was more than a RAF station would probably achieve today on other than a special occasion. The most I recall on a graduation flypast was 22 aircraft including whip and spares.

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I recall a story, tall may be, at Middleton St George, 16-ship Javelin formation running in met a 24-ship Hunter formation running the other way. Quick as a flash the sharper Hunter leader called "You break PORT, we'll break STARBOARD"

40 trumps 32.
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I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?
It couldn't have happened at Oakington. At 1655 we were all in the bar waiting for the shutters to go up.
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
I recall a story, tall may be, at Middleton St George, 16-ship Javelin formation running in met a 24-ship Hunter formation running the other way. Quick as a flash the sharper Hunter leader called "You break PORT, we'll break STARBOARD"

40 trumps 32.
Humour an old Met Man : would this not risk a collision [or do I have sense of humour failure]?
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LB, that is what the Javelin leader thought too and turned 'tother way.
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Yep! Sense of humour failure combined with ignorance ..........powerful stuff.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Stuff
Like the closure of RAF Halton that was announced in Nov 2017?
Yes, a friend mentioned that after my posting here. In my defence Iím now far more Joint than I am RAF and I donít keep track of the ins and outs of what the RAF is doing, especially in the training environment. Hence my surprise when I saw the posts on social media about it, but hadnít heard much comment elsewhere.

Iím assuming from the photos it was a former AAC Pilot with the PFB and medals in amongst the graduating officers. If correct and he has come across from the AAC, how does that work his wearing an RAF flying badge if he has passed an Army course of instruction?

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CWO? Isnít that a US Army term? Does the RAF run a knife and fork class for WOs similar to the Army, and if so, do they pass out as Sqn/Ldr (Major)?
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CWO? Isnít that a US Army term? Does the RAF run a knife and fork class for WOs similar to the Army, and if so, do they pass out as Sqn/Ldr (Major)?
There is the Commisioned Warrant Officer Course and they pass out as a Flt Lt.
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In my day as a Master Aircrew I did the full course and a bit . Started at Henlow then after a month 'they' decided to send a guinea pig flight to Cranwell to join the Student Officers Course. So off I went. Passed out as a F/O on a course awash with instant F/L.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01
I notice that we had a joint graduation at Cranwell during the week with Recruits, CWO and Officer Cadets all graduating from the same parade.

Good to see a full parade square again, but hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.
It would be good if they could continue with this; I am sure it is beneficial to all to "start out" together.

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