Drunk matelots arrested
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This is only news because of what ship it is. The worst offender may receive a warrant punishment, the others disrating (if they have any to lose), fines and stoppage of leave. If they face any civil punishment then they will have to request to be awarded consequential naval penalties.
At a guess, fines and leave, in a ratio that punishes appropriately - most likely leave for the most junior, fines for the more senior (as fines are related to daily rate of pay).
Beating the crap out of each other doesn't really suggest it is a happy ship.
I’d be far more worried if they were beating each other up when sober.
My.....how the "offended crowd" react to a bit of frolic during a good run ashore by some sailors.
Folks....no one got killed or maimed.....and we all know that Sailors and Demon Rum can be a very volatile mixture.
Stand the Miscreants up before the Captain....tell of their Sins...and let him get a Pound of Flesh from them each.....then tell them to go forth and Sin no more.
After all....do we want Sailors and Marines that will not scrap?
Folks....no one got killed or maimed.....and we all know that Sailors and Demon Rum can be a very volatile mixture.
Stand the Miscreants up before the Captain....tell of their Sins...and let him get a Pound of Flesh from them each.....then tell them to go forth and Sin no more.
After all....do we want Sailors and Marines that will not scrap?
#13 Posted by KenV puts this into perspective - not the usual hype from the Press.
One was Tasered for refusing to put his hands behind his back - perhaps a less confrontational approach by law enforcement would have defused the situation. Main complaint is about the measly tipping. 6 arrests - sounds like a quiet Friday night in most British towns these days( or Malaga or Benidorm). I have seen worse behaviour from a "Ladies" darts team!
Anybody remember Bugis Street or the Gut in Malta in the 60s and 70s?? I was in the Gut in the 70s when a US Carrier called. That was an experience of an entirely different magnitude.
The American Shore Patrol, armed with pickaxe handles, were not very sympathetic!!
One was Tasered for refusing to put his hands behind his back - perhaps a less confrontational approach by law enforcement would have defused the situation. Main complaint is about the measly tipping. 6 arrests - sounds like a quiet Friday night in most British towns these days( or Malaga or Benidorm). I have seen worse behaviour from a "Ladies" darts team!
Anybody remember Bugis Street or the Gut in Malta in the 60s and 70s?? I was in the Gut in the 70s when a US Carrier called. That was an experience of an entirely different magnitude.
The American Shore Patrol, armed with pickaxe handles, were not very sympathetic!!
Whereas US naval vessels are 'dry' (I assume that's still the case?), the RN allows its sailors to have limited amounts of alcohol on board, so there is less 'urgency' at getting drunk as skunks when ashore,I would imagine.
As for punishing the offenders, no doubt an extra turn in the barrel after kissing the gunner's daughter will suffice? Not quite a keel-hauling offence though.
As for punishing the offenders, no doubt an extra turn in the barrel after kissing the gunner's daughter will suffice? Not quite a keel-hauling offence though.
In the 70's when the American 'Boomer' crews changed over at Holy Loch you could see the outgoing crew waiting in Prestwick Airport waiting for the TWA flight to take them home. The USN Shore Patrol, all very large people with very large sticks were not to be messed with, 1 tap from the stick was usually enough, 2 taps you were on the verge of something painful 3 taps and they were usually observed being 'helped to the aircraft.
Odd....the Shore Patrol is drawn from the Crew(s) of the visiting ships at locations away from established bases.
It operates more as a Courtesy Patrol rather than as a purely Law Enforcement organization.
Two Years in WestPac based out of Subic Bay with visits to Hong Kong, Mombasa, Karachi, and other exotic places confirmed the US Sailor has an amazing ability to find trouble ashore.
It operates more as a Courtesy Patrol rather than as a purely Law Enforcement organization.
Two Years in WestPac based out of Subic Bay with visits to Hong Kong, Mombasa, Karachi, and other exotic places confirmed the US Sailor has an amazing ability to find trouble ashore.
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A couple of nice articles on naval alcohol traditions.
Royal Navy:
https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ritish-sailors
U.S. Navy:
https://news.usni.org/2014/07/01/hun...nd-alcohol-sea -
Royal Navy:
https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ritish-sailors
U.S. Navy:
https://news.usni.org/2014/07/01/hun...nd-alcohol-sea -
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Ah yes, I remember seeing you there, long sleeved white shirt, tie etc. Blue light taxi at the bottom claiming the RAF Officers, "one of ours" as the SP clubbed all and sundry.😀
Try this testament from a female local taxi driver instead: A story about the crew of HMS Queen Elizabeth in Florida you probably didn’t hear
I am not anybody of great importance and I don’t have a high position of authority or anything of that nature, I just work in the transportation business as an Uber driver part time while I am finishing my college degree. Therefore, what I am going to inform you about concerning three sailors on your ship is pretty special since they had nothing to gain for what they did.
First, let me say that everyone that I have given a ride to who are sailors on the HMS Queen Elizabeth were exceptionally kind and very respectful to me, and I find it to be very sad that our media here in Jacksonville, Florida only reported on negative circumstances that happened with a small percentage of sailors on your ship.
That is why I want to make sure that you know about these three sailors that helped me out, while expecting nothing in return. At 8:42 pm on Monday, September 10th, I received a call from 301 Atlantic Blvd, Neptune Beach to pick up a man named David and two of his friends to take them back to Mayport Base. I was informed right before I picked them up that I had a headlight out and I was concerned because I needed to replace it or else quit working for the night until I got it fixed...
First, let me say that everyone that I have given a ride to who are sailors on the HMS Queen Elizabeth were exceptionally kind and very respectful to me, and I find it to be very sad that our media here in Jacksonville, Florida only reported on negative circumstances that happened with a small percentage of sailors on your ship.
That is why I want to make sure that you know about these three sailors that helped me out, while expecting nothing in return. At 8:42 pm on Monday, September 10th, I received a call from 301 Atlantic Blvd, Neptune Beach to pick up a man named David and two of his friends to take them back to Mayport Base. I was informed right before I picked them up that I had a headlight out and I was concerned because I needed to replace it or else quit working for the night until I got it fixed...
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
A couple of nice articles on naval alcohol traditions.
Royal Navy:
https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ritish-sailors
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Royal Navy:
https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ritish-sailors
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A propos of nothing, there does seem to be a bit of a puritanical streak in the upper echelons of all 3 services at the moment. In the RAF’s case I can think of particular individuals who set that tone, but more generally I wonder if it is a consequence of the huge and increasing emphasis placed on ‘defence engagement’. In idealistic minds around Whitehall, shiny new bits of kit (QE, Typhoon, etc) are fantastic tools for exercising British influence. But perhaps the idealists forget the hundreds of inherently flawed and slightly less shiny things (for that is what we humans are) that come with them, and get angry when they become the story. Even if military commanders are wise enough to foresee this and downplay it, they are still beholden to civil servants, politicians and possibly even the media for their final couple of jumps up the ladder, so they have to play disappointed too...
I remember the infantile "open container violation" hold up, when innocently taking a beer back to my room from the bar to finish off at the end of an evening shift.
Give them time......They are young yet as a nation.
Give them time......They are young yet as a nation.
“On cruise”?
I’m sure there are people who believe warships stop everything at 1600 each weekday and all weekend while at sea so everyone can down tools and get their heads down (or go home for tea and stickies when alongside).
I’m sure there are people who believe warships stop everything at 1600 each weekday and all weekend while at sea so everyone can down tools and get their heads down (or go home for tea and stickies when alongside).