Senator John McCain
A man who didn’t hesitate for a second to defend the basic integrity of his opponent Barack Obama. That speaks volumes about John McCain. We’re poorer for his passing - we need people like him now more than ever.
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A decent man who respected and looked after others ahead of himself. A man who was always polite, courteous and honourable, even whilst arguing with bitter opponents. Those in the swamp around him showed their true colours, as did he.
They will be but a footnote in history while he will be sorely missed.
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They will be but a footnote in history while he will be sorely missed.
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According to the Daily Mail Mr Trump as ordered the White House Flag to be hoisted back to full mast and has vetoed the publication of a tribute in his name. Other White House staff can make their own personal tributes if they wish. If there's one thing about Trump he's certainly not self conscious.
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TTN, agreed.
4 important lines in the excellent obit in today's (UK) Times:
"Many Americans avoided Vietnam. McCain pressed to go there."
"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured." POTUS, draft dodger.
4 important lines in the excellent obit in today's (UK) Times:
"Many Americans avoided Vietnam. McCain pressed to go there."
"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured." POTUS, draft dodger.
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A point so well made that I nearly choked on my beer much to the amusement of other drinkers in my Rhode Island hotel bar, it was a point very well made but I’m not sure it was appropriate to this thread.
America has lost a man of huge integrity and courage, qualities that seem to be in very short supply in the upper reaches of American political life at the moment.
America has lost a man of huge integrity and courage, qualities that seem to be in very short supply in the upper reaches of American political life at the moment.
According to the Daily Mail Mr Trump as ordered the White House Flag to be hoisted back to full mast and has vetoed the publication of a tribute in his name. Other White House staff can make their own personal tributes if they wish. If there's one thing about Trump he's certainly not self conscious.
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That being said “tradition” the president can proclaim the flag honors through burial.
I quess Trump has made a statement but I think it will be lost by McCains previous statement that Trump was not invited to his funeral.
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Anybody know the other pilots in this widely published picture, perhaps from 1965? It looks to me like a T-2A with two instructors and two Student Naval Aviators. Kingsville, Beeville, Pensacola or Meridian?
According to the Daily Mail Mr Trump as ordered the White House Flag to be hoisted back to full mast and has vetoed the publication of a tribute in his name. Other White House staff can make their own personal tributes if they wish. If there's one thing about Trump he's certainly not self conscious.
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Flag at Half Staff till McCain is buried.
The Senate passed a Resolution.
Trump has made multiple mentions, offers of condolences.
But....don't let a bit of facts get in your way.
McCain planned his own Funeral and purposely omitted Trump....which is certainly his right.
I intend to skip my own.
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Might want to get the correct info.
Flag at Half Staff till McCain is buried.
The Senate passed a Resolution.
Trump has made multiple mentions, offers of condolences.
But....don't let a bit of facts get in your way.
McCain planned his own Funeral and purposely omitted Trump....which is certainly his right.
I intend to skip my own.
Flag at Half Staff till McCain is buried.
The Senate passed a Resolution.
Trump has made multiple mentions, offers of condolences.
But....don't let a bit of facts get in your way.
McCain planned his own Funeral and purposely omitted Trump....which is certainly his right.
I intend to skip my own.
I believe my facts to have been correct at the time of posting, I notice your retort was posted today, following a change in circumstances the flag over the white house is back down at half mast. There has been much played out in public regarding the animosity between the two and Trump's reportedly typical begrudging behaviour. I can only comment on what is being broadcast by the media at the time. I very much imagine that's how you come by your information. Unless of course you've been camped out on the White House Lawn over the last few days?
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A Good Man With Good Taste
In 1991, I was living with a friend of mine in Falls Church, Virginia, a stone's throw from the Pentagon. My friend had been the Gold Crew's XO of the SSBN-616 U.S.S. Lafayette, one of our nation's first serious "boomers". My friend had several claims to fame. One was that subsequent to a reactor SCRAM on the boat in the late 1960's, he had stuck his head INTO THE REACTOR CORE to effect repairs which involved unsticking a stuck moderator rod. (If I told you more, I'd have to kill you...) He was never the same afterward, having suffered thyroid, lung, and liver cancer as well as acute myeloid leukemia. Immensely intelligent - one did not pass muster with Admiral Hyman Rickover to be received into our nuclear Navy - my friend was a complete zero in the common sense department. His Naval nickname was "The Unguided Guided Missile". It was an appropriate moniker... 
In 1991, The "Missile" and I had occasion to visit his friend, Senator John McCain, in the Hart Senate Office Building. The former had created an association of military firefighters and had assembled a number of members to show their wares in the Senate Caucus Room. (The one with the matching panels of perfect Carrera alabaster which patiently echoes with perfection the endless bloviation that room presents.) The Senate Sargeant-at-Arms had disallowed the presentation, for it is illegal to offer items for sale on government property. Nobody was selling anything, but rules is rules, right?
I had called my fiancee', a a high-level staffer for the Speaker of the House of Representatives, to see if she might intervene. No dice! House and Senate do not mix! Thus we turned to Senator McCain.
I remember his firm handshake and the impenetrable gaze of his eyes as he sized me up. He hugged my friend and told him that he could not help. He poured each of us a double shot of extra-smooth bourbon. We talked briefly of his Keating Five tussle and of pretty women. (He had a good eye.) Then he had to leave for a vote before I could ask him about the nimbleness of the A-4 Skyhawk and the horror aboard the Forrestal, CV-59, known in Naval circles as the "Forest Fire".
I was left with the impression of a strong, intelligent soul who had a reasonable sense of entitlement. He and I were close in a political sense, so I was glad that he voted his conscience for many decades. I knew that I had shaken hands with an human being who had survived more than five years in a brutal prison camp while healing from horrible wounds sustained in the crash of his fighter. I knew that I had met a man who laughed easily but brooked no malfeasance nor ineptitude. One-of-a-kind. Those are humans who have my complete admiration!
As I turned to leave, I noted a black mole on the Senator's left cheek. None of us knew...
- Ed
In 1991, The "Missile" and I had occasion to visit his friend, Senator John McCain, in the Hart Senate Office Building. The former had created an association of military firefighters and had assembled a number of members to show their wares in the Senate Caucus Room. (The one with the matching panels of perfect Carrera alabaster which patiently echoes with perfection the endless bloviation that room presents.) The Senate Sargeant-at-Arms had disallowed the presentation, for it is illegal to offer items for sale on government property. Nobody was selling anything, but rules is rules, right?
I had called my fiancee', a a high-level staffer for the Speaker of the House of Representatives, to see if she might intervene. No dice! House and Senate do not mix! Thus we turned to Senator McCain.
I remember his firm handshake and the impenetrable gaze of his eyes as he sized me up. He hugged my friend and told him that he could not help. He poured each of us a double shot of extra-smooth bourbon. We talked briefly of his Keating Five tussle and of pretty women. (He had a good eye.) Then he had to leave for a vote before I could ask him about the nimbleness of the A-4 Skyhawk and the horror aboard the Forrestal, CV-59, known in Naval circles as the "Forest Fire".
I was left with the impression of a strong, intelligent soul who had a reasonable sense of entitlement. He and I were close in a political sense, so I was glad that he voted his conscience for many decades. I knew that I had shaken hands with an human being who had survived more than five years in a brutal prison camp while healing from horrible wounds sustained in the crash of his fighter. I knew that I had met a man who laughed easily but brooked no malfeasance nor ineptitude. One-of-a-kind. Those are humans who have my complete admiration!
As I turned to leave, I noted a black mole on the Senator's left cheek. None of us knew...
- Ed
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Remember how the US liberal media mocked Admiral Stockdale when he ran as VP in the '92 election? James Stockdale's military record was one of the most impressive in US history, yet he was not treated with the respect he deserved.
I saw McCain as a rare politician who had integrity. I wasn't thrilled with everything he did, but I did vote for him in 2008. Interestingly, I knew people who wouldn't vote for him for prez because of his age and doubted he'd survive a term - didn't want to see Palin as president - he managed to prove them wrong about that.
Finningley - without addressing the specific issue (I've really not paid much attention) - I have a rule of thumb regarding Trump that has proved amazingly accurate:
To wit - roughly half of what the media puts out regarding Trump is - at best - intentionally misleading. I'm not a fan of the guy, and there is plenty of legitimate things the media could use to criticize the POTUS. But media's hate for the man is so blatant and obvious that I simply disregard anything that I can't independently verify.
To wit - roughly half of what the media puts out regarding Trump is - at best - intentionally misleading. I'm not a fan of the guy, and there is plenty of legitimate things the media could use to criticize the POTUS. But media's hate for the man is so blatant and obvious that I simply disregard anything that I can't independently verify.
I remain mixed in my evaluation of John McCain as a Senator.
He ran on the Promise to Arizona voters that he would vote to rescind/repeal Obamacare.
Then he and Trump had their famous falling out.
Trump ran with the Promise to see Obamacare repealed.
We know how McCain voted on that....his being the Vote that prevented the repeal of Obamacare.
McCain is being eulogized for being a Man of Principle and of Integrity.
I find it hard to countenance the violating of his very critical promise to Arizona voters in what could have been a personal vendetta against Trump (and one that is quite understandable).
I do wonder about his true motivation for voting as he did and we have to admit it....Senators vote their own interests far too often and do not always do their very best to carry out the People's business.
That accusation is shared by all elected officials at ever level of government and McCain's record proves he would look after his own interests during some votes.
As most Great Men....they all have their good and bad sides and McCain was no different in that regard.
I have stood at the place where he was captured after being shot down and also visited the Hoa Lo prison where he suffered so terribly so I have a lot of respect for his service to the Nation in general.
We all have to accept there are many sides to John McCain and he is genuinely worthy of our respect if not always our admiration.
From the Politico web site, generally accepted as being a Left leaning source of political news and commentary.
Explaining why McCain took the position he did re Obamacare during his campaign for re-election.....and why Obamacare Repeal was so critical to the people of Arizona....and remains so.
The Bill being voted on in the Senate would have stricken major parts of the ACA (Obamacare) that would have led to the end of the program.
Why McCain voted as he did will remain a point of debate but the result of his voting the way he did with the two other Republicans (Murkowsky from Alaska and Collins from Maine) is not....ACA remains in place.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...arizona-224622
He ran on the Promise to Arizona voters that he would vote to rescind/repeal Obamacare.
Then he and Trump had their famous falling out.
Trump ran with the Promise to see Obamacare repealed.
We know how McCain voted on that....his being the Vote that prevented the repeal of Obamacare.
McCain is being eulogized for being a Man of Principle and of Integrity.
I find it hard to countenance the violating of his very critical promise to Arizona voters in what could have been a personal vendetta against Trump (and one that is quite understandable).
I do wonder about his true motivation for voting as he did and we have to admit it....Senators vote their own interests far too often and do not always do their very best to carry out the People's business.
That accusation is shared by all elected officials at ever level of government and McCain's record proves he would look after his own interests during some votes.
As most Great Men....they all have their good and bad sides and McCain was no different in that regard.
I have stood at the place where he was captured after being shot down and also visited the Hoa Lo prison where he suffered so terribly so I have a lot of respect for his service to the Nation in general.
We all have to accept there are many sides to John McCain and he is genuinely worthy of our respect if not always our admiration.
From the Politico web site, generally accepted as being a Left leaning source of political news and commentary.
Explaining why McCain took the position he did re Obamacare during his campaign for re-election.....and why Obamacare Repeal was so critical to the people of Arizona....and remains so.
The Bill being voted on in the Senate would have stricken major parts of the ACA (Obamacare) that would have led to the end of the program.
Why McCain voted as he did will remain a point of debate but the result of his voting the way he did with the two other Republicans (Murkowsky from Alaska and Collins from Maine) is not....ACA remains in place.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...arizona-224622
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February 21, 2008 The Long Run
For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk
By JIM RUTENBERG, MARILYN W. THOMPSON, DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON — Early in Senator John McCain’s first run for the White House eight years ago, waves of anxiety swept through his small circle of advisers.
A female lobbyist had been turning up with him at fund-raisers, visiting his offices and accompanying him on a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself — instructing staff members to block the woman’s access, privately warning her away and repeatedly confronting him, several people involved in the campaign said on the condition of anonymity.
When news organizations reported that Mr. McCain had written letters to government regulators on behalf of the lobbyist’s client, the former campaign associates said, some aides feared for a time that attention would fall on her involvement.
Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, 40, both say they never had a romantic relationship. But to his advisers, even the appearance of a close bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had business before the Senate committee Mr. McCain led threatened the story of redemption and rectitude that defined his political identity.
A female lobbyist had been turning up with him at fund-raisers, visiting his offices and accompanying him on a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself — instructing staff members to block the woman’s access, privately warning her away and repeatedly confronting him, several people involved in the campaign said on the condition of anonymity.
When news organizations reported that Mr. McCain had written letters to government regulators on behalf of the lobbyist’s client, the former campaign associates said, some aides feared for a time that attention would fall on her involvement.
Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, 40, both say they never had a romantic relationship. But to his advisers, even the appearance of a close bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had business before the Senate committee Mr. McCain led threatened the story of redemption and rectitude that defined his political identity.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/u.../21mccain.html
After a $27 million lawsuit was filed by Ms. Iseman and Obama was safely elected President, the NYT printed this belated 'Note to Readers' a year later:
A Note to Readers
FEB. 19, 2009 An article published on February 21, 2008, about Senator John McCain and his record as an ethics reformer who was at times blind to potential conflicts of interest included references to Vicki Iseman, a Washington lobbyist. The article did not state, and The Times did not intend to conclude, that Ms. Iseman had engaged in a romantic affair with Senator McCain or an unethical relationship on behalf of her clients in breach of the public trust.
Thanks bubba, have to think had Hillary been elected that the times and liberals in general wouldn’t be so heart broken over McCain’s passing. However that whole enemy of my enemy thing has them cozying up out of political necessity. The article you posted shows their pre-Trump (BC, AD, PT) colors,
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John McCain IV wears his Navy Wings of Gold as his mother wears his father's sweetheart wings at the memorial service in Arizona:
Picture by Ross D Franklin - Rex
Picture by Ross D Franklin - Rex