ASW and 1982 South Atlantic War
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Not sure the context of that statement but F86 against Vulcan was no contest especially when the Vulcan went into the vertical.
Several countries had F86s that carried AIM-9 (e.g. Australia, Portugal), but not IIRC the Argentine ones. I think the deciding factor in not deploying them to the Falklands was the length of the Stanley runway.
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I don’t understand...F-86 intercepts Vulcan...Vulcan ‘uses vertical’...fight ruled ‘no contest’.
Is that really how things would have gone between a fighter with A-A weaponry against a bomber with none?
I can’t help but note that the Vulcan windows appear (never flown one so can’t state as definitive) - a slightly more restricted view than the wonderful transparency on a F-86. That may have been a factor.
I’ve been in the vertical plenty of times and always had to come back out...unless of course a lot of space debris is Vulcan aircraft that got stuck and kept going?
Is that really how things would have gone between a fighter with A-A weaponry against a bomber with none?
I can’t help but note that the Vulcan windows appear (never flown one so can’t state as definitive) - a slightly more restricted view than the wonderful transparency on a F-86. That may have been a factor.
I’ve been in the vertical plenty of times and always had to come back out...unless of course a lot of space debris is Vulcan aircraft that got stuck and kept going?
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A Sabre needed around 3600 ft of runway - a Mirage maybe 2800 ft - so if you weren't willing to risk the Mirages at Stanley you certainly wouldn't be any better off with the Sabres....................
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That's was the reason given for the Argentinians not basing fast jets at Stanley - short runway with the chance that the RAF could shorten it (for a few days at a time) - but still not good.
https://www.airspacemag.com/military...ands-32214512/ for example..............
https://www.airspacemag.com/military...ands-32214512/ for example..............
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The Vulcan climbed at as little as 170 kts, the F86 at 300. At 170 kts Vulcan could put climb the F86 which needed a much longer track distance to get the same height. At height a Vulcan could put run a Mig 21 - fuel was everything.
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Orca, got it in one. We used to run rings around Javelins. Out climb and out turn. A Lightning had enough energy to negate this advantage.
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Well, I am back. I was not aware I was breaking any rule here (but, I´ve learned the lesson)
Thanks for the kind words. It was very rewarding reading it from my jail time.
Regards to all,
Thanks for the kind words. It was very rewarding reading it from my jail time.
Regards to all,
Welcome back!
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The F86s were based in Mendoza and used to cover the Chilean border in that area, according to my source, There weren't that many operational anyway, and their secondary use was for freshly qualified pilot training, I guess a bit like an OCU or TWU. I don't believe they were missile capable - not even my source knows this off the top of his head.
I had the pleasure of translating Mariano's book, albeit over a very long time until he managed to get a publisher interested and things moved on quite quickly. I hope those of you who buy it enjoy it - and can add to the speculation about the unidentified submarine.....
There are some more translations in the pipeline with another Argentine author, with the first title to be a translation of a book about the first generation anglo-argentines participation in the RAF during WW2, of which there were many. More books on the Falklands will probably follow - some already written and some new. Watch this space.
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I had the pleasure of translating Mariano's book, albeit over a very long time until he managed to get a publisher interested and things moved on quite quickly. I hope those of you who buy it enjoy it - and can add to the speculation about the unidentified submarine.....
There are some more translations in the pipeline with another Argentine author, with the first title to be a translation of a book about the first generation anglo-argentines participation in the RAF during WW2, of which there were many. More books on the Falklands will probably follow - some already written and some new. Watch this space.
Cheers
A
The F86s were based in Mendoza and used to cover the Chilean border in that area, according to my source, There weren't that many operational anyway, and their secondary use was for freshly qualified pilot training, I guess a bit like an OCU or TWU. I don't believe they were missile capable - not even my source knows this off the top of his head.
The poster claims that only one F-86F was wired for the missile.
https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...50#post1305750
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We have both Chris Parry´s excellent book and, also, the once top secret (now open to public) after action report of the event.
In my personal opinion, Adm Parry attacked a nuclear submarine...
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Good to see you back Mario, looking forward to reading your book.
interestingly I came across a link the other day to a photo album put together by a guy under the name “Think Defence” on Twitter. Hundreds of photos I had not seen before centred around Altlantic Conveyor and other stuff. You may be interested. I am not bright enough to post the links.
as you know my interest from the time was Chinook with the RWR installation I had been involved in the design when working at EWAU and the Nimrod R you were able to point me in the direction of material. We did not speak about what we did in those days.
best of luck with book and like others really pleased to see you back after a minor digression
Drag,
of course back in those days I never dressed up in women’s clothes. Not till I became involved in airdropping in 1996 LOL!
interestingly I came across a link the other day to a photo album put together by a guy under the name “Think Defence” on Twitter. Hundreds of photos I had not seen before centred around Altlantic Conveyor and other stuff. You may be interested. I am not bright enough to post the links.
as you know my interest from the time was Chinook with the RWR installation I had been involved in the design when working at EWAU and the Nimrod R you were able to point me in the direction of material. We did not speak about what we did in those days.
best of luck with book and like others really pleased to see you back after a minor digression
Drag,
of course back in those days I never dressed up in women’s clothes. Not till I became involved in airdropping in 1996 LOL!
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I have a "picture" of SS Canberra damaged by a F-86 Sabre (dated May 24,1982). Why on Earth they chose a Sabre (not even have the range to go there, drop a bomb and return) for the fake picture!
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We have any of that nonsense too. Used to be paranoid about publishing airframe numbers when it was publicly available and every airfield had its duty spotter. Nothing moves, at least in daylight, without being logged, privacy photographed and collated in some magazine etc.