Military legal advice.

[LincsFM]

Also whilst you are on said det please remember to put your handbrake on whilst parked near other Aircraft!!

[VinRouge]

Originally Posted by MPN11

Because some people behave like school children?

The 95% of people who had no involvement in the incident and whom now are on schoolchildlike "restrictions"?

[MPN11]

VinRouge ... perhaps a bit of peer pressure on the 5% from the innocent victims may be effective?

I have no idea what happened to trigger this group restriction, and I'm only guessing at the location.

[Easy Street]

I'd be extremely surprised if collective restrictions were introduced as the result of a single occurrence. There's more likely to have been a few, and there's only so many alcohol-related incidents (with the attendant reputational damage) that a commander can tolerate before his or her grip comes into question. Units with the best disciplinary records tend to be self-policing and collective restrictions are one way of incentivising development of such a culture. Repeatedly punishing individuals has its limitations on operational detachments: sending them home means that someone else has to deploy at short notice; disciplining them in-situ shoulders the detachment with the management burden and possible safety risk of a disgruntled idiot; and extending their tour simply lengthens that burden. It is far preferable to prevent such incidents, and until the military can find a way of filling 100% of its ranks with mature individuals* such as AUTHENTICATE, TOFO and VinRouge, the best way of doing that is to get idiots' mates to deal with the issue at source: whether that's telling them to stop drinking, escorting them back to the block, or even ensuring that it's the military (rather than local) police that pick them up. If a short period of restrictions successfully reminds everyone of that responsibility then it's a justifiable command decision, and leaders at every rank have a responsibility to 'suck it up' to help create the collective peer pressure that keeps the idiots in line. Simple as that. As for barrack room lawyers spouting BS about 'unlawful detention'... I presume you also think that orders not to visit certain locations when off-duty are an infringement of your personal liberty?

* My emphasis is intended as a criticism. If you want to be treated as an individual citizen with all the rights due to you under civil law then it's very simple. Be a civilian.

[Easy Street]

^ I gather that the vast majority of those currently confined are not on a drink ban, which makes the OP's complaint all the more ridiculous. Anyone for sundowners?

[Bob Viking]

Assuming it is an RAF complaint (and also assuming it’s not a wind up) I think it’s fair to say any Army or Navy guys reading this right now will probably be laughing their c0cks off.

Do we not get enough ‘civilians in uniform’ banter already?!

BV

[MPN11]

Easy Street ... Thanks for typing at length what I implied! ^

[m0nkfish]

The real issue here is making PPrune your first port of call and whinging like a baby. Real aircrew with a fighting spirit will find a way to the Aki Arms and to hell with the consequences.

Make it happen so that we can all believe all is not lost.

[gr4techie]

Originally Posted by Easy Street

Since you mention a ‘different fleet’ within one det, you must be on operations on a camp that has within its perimeter a beach club, karting track, cinema, several bars, shops, food outlets, coffee shops, clifftop running routes etc.

Confined to camp for a bit while on an operational detachment? Get over yourself.

Theres one det working constant 12 hour shifts. When you're not working you are sleeping and it's soon back to work again. The one day off per week was wasted as you tried to adjust to changing shifts. Don't confuse the det with the permanent staff (who complain that they now need to do some work thanks to the det)

The beach club was shut down long time ago. I never knew going for a run was a privilege !

Could be worse... your det could have been the only people confined to camp just because one person saw an article in the daily heil saying WW3 was going to happen. While the rest were driving past out of camp and carried on as normal.

[alfred_the_great]

Originally Posted by Bob Viking

Assuming it is an RAF complaint (and also assuming it’s not a wind up) I think it’s fair to say any Army or Navy guys reading this right now will probably be laughing their c0cks off.

Do we not get enough ‘civilians in uniform’ banter already?!

BV

It’s a fairly routine occurrence in the RN. I was in a position to put one messdeck in such a situation, but the wiser heads in that mess came to me and said they were placing their mess on a “voluntary” beer and run ashore ban...

[The Old Fat One]

If you want to be treated as an individual citizen with all the rights due to you under civil law then it's very simple. Be a civilian.

I could not agree more. As a mate once put it (A Cat, Sqn Exec, could paper his bathroom with AOCs,) when we were sunning ourselves on his yacht.

"The RAF is great and I loved every moment. But one day you wake up and realise you have outgrown it...then its time to go." He left and 41 and I left at 46, guess it took me longer to grow up