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Old 18th Oct 2018, 16:13
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Not me. Then again I was amazed there was not a more major investigation when the Typhoon and VC-10 traded paint (which I think was the most recent fixed-wing mid-air impact before this one).
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 16:56
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I assume an Airprox investigation is/was underway? Or does the ‘prox’ element get cancelled when they actually make contact, or flying in formation?
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Typhoondriver View Post
So, is there any truth to the rumour that the Phenom is a Cat 5?

Also, how many aviators in this forum would categorise 2 aircraft unintentionally touching each other in flight as 'Perceived severity - Medium' to flight safety?
'Perceived Severity' being at the whim of the reporter is often completely divorced from reality. The 'Assessed Severity' should, I'd hope, read High as some though would have gone into it.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 13:40
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Not having much luck the Phenom. Had one land at Waddo today after an ES2 due to a possible birdstrike
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 18:11
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
Saw this on Ascents LinkedIn page

This followed several other exciting firsts in recent months; the opening of new training facilities at Cranwell and Barkston Heath in January, in April the first student pilots took to the skies and the first student Prefect solo was flown in May



Hmmmm, I recall, the entirely excellent facilities at Cranwell BFTS in 1981, The superb all-jet training on the JP5, (3 Sqns don'tchaknow!), and the great deployments to BH for 1st solo's (a few portacabins, totally sufficient, very BoB). Wouldn't have missed it for the World!

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Jump Complete View Post
If you’ll forgive a civvie butting in, I have just completed an Embraer 145 type rating. I have a question re the suitability of the Phenom as a ME trainer. I have quite a lot of hours in traditional multi-engine pistons and turbo-prop airliners. In comparison with, for example, an ATR, the ERJ seems to me, as a tail jet, a lot easier to keep control in EFATO senarios, (in one sim session my initial tbought was ‘It can’t be an engjne failure, it’s too easy’ until I looked at the engjne instruments) So, is a tail jet (and I assume the asymmetric effect is even less in a smaller aircraft like the Phenom?) actually demanding enough (purely in the asymmetric charactristics sense - I’m not thinking about putting a student into a fairly high performance aircraft, which I guess the military are wont to do) for an initial ME trainer?
EDIT: Yes, obviously I didn’t do my intial ME training on an ATR, but I would have thought the previously used Kingair a much better aircraft to teach the basic skills, while having the degree of relative complexity and performance a military training programe might need (I assume) as well as being a pretty tough aircraft.

What is a ‘tail jet ? ‘
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 05:49
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Engines mounted either on or in the tail, hence the thrust line is very close to the centre-line. The resultant assymetric thrust vector gives minimal handling impact. Also allows a clean wing design.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 12:40
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Originally Posted by isaneng View Post
Engines mounted either on or in the tail, hence the thrust line is very close to the centre-line. The resultant assymetric thrust vector gives minimal handling impact. Also allows a clean wing design.
Exactly not like a Canberra.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 13:31
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Originally Posted by airpolice View Post
Exactly not like a Canberra.
Good job we are not training Canberra pilots then. But I agree, multi-pilot training maybe, but multi-engine?
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 19:38
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I am very curious how a Cat4/5 write off managed to fly from Washington to Cranwell on the 18th........
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by bose-x View Post
I am very curious how a Cat4/5 write off managed to fly from Washington to Cranwell on the 18th........
Waddington.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:10
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Originally Posted by airpolice View Post
Waddington.
damn autocorrect......
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:24
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Lincs FM, `ES2` ?
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:56
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 22:15
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From Air Force Monthly:

Although not made public at the time, it’s now known that these two aircraft were involved in a mid- air collision during a practice for the RAF 100th anniversary flypast over London which took place
on July 10. The aircraft – ZM335 callsign ‘CWL31’ and ZM336 callsign ‘CWL30’ – took off from RAF Waddington, Lincolnshire, but the wingtips of the two aircraft clipped each other. Both were able to return safely to Waddington, without injury to any of the crew members. The Ministry of Defence has since confirmed that both Phenoms sustained relatively minor damage to their wings,while one also had some fuselage damage, but both are repairable. The aircraft remained grounded
at Waddington until September 3, when ZM335 was flown back to its base at RAF Cranwell, Lincolnshire, using callsign ‘CWL45’. It was expected to re-enter service after undergoing minor repairs. As of late September, the other aircraft, ZM336, remained at Waddington and was undergoing further damage assessment pending recovery.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 09:53
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So if they just “clipped wings” then how did one of them end up with “fuselage damage”?

Rumour is that one has a big dent in the roof...if that is the case then it’s damn lucky we didn’t lose them both.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 01:33
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Originally Posted by isaneng View Post
Engines mounted either on or in the tail, hence the thrust line is very close to the centre-line. The resultant assymetric thrust vector gives minimal handling impact. Also allows a clean wing design.

Ok, a few extra words would help there
would they not ?


How about ‘tail mounted jets’



‘Tail jet’



Unbelievable
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