Scampton And Linton-on-Ouse Closure
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Champagne anyone?
Probably because the RAF, or rather the MoD is not a museum running business, it’s hardly core activity is it?
If front line assets are facing the chop then it seems a travesty that the RAF still finds funds to run 5 Spitfires, 2 Hurricanes, a Lancaster and a Dakota when,with the exception of the Lancaster, there are numerous privately operated Spitfires and Hurricanes out there.
Probably because the RAF, or rather the MoD is not a museum running business, it’s hardly core activity is it?
If front line assets are facing the chop then it seems a travesty that the RAF still finds funds to run 5 Spitfires, 2 Hurricanes, a Lancaster and a Dakota when,with the exception of the Lancaster, there are numerous privately operated Spitfires and Hurricanes out there.
You forgot the Chipmunks!!!
The RAF don't have to run the Museum... You are missing the point entirely! This would be a privately funded affair... With monies raised split between the museum and renting the 'live attractions access' The RAF would continue at Scampton they same as they are now, with the addition of the BBMF being on site.
The RIAT style events would be run in the same way as they are now...
And your'e right,,, there's a big museum in London, but there are loads of museums in London; thats over 150 miles away! and not everyone wants to go to London, nor can afford to go to London. You have seen the extortionate prices charged down south at most attractions haven't you??
Why not locate something in an area badly lacking in historical attractions and make it more accessible for more than just southerners????
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" Just needs a little vision and less negative waves...." and money that isn't available! The Infra at Waddington is in a sorry state, never mind spending money on a Museum in a station that is largely derelict. Even if a museum Scampton was eventually to become self-funding, it would still need an initial injection of funds that, in the current climate" are just not available.
If front line assets are facing the chop then it seems a travesty that the RAF still finds funds to run 5 Spitfires, 2 Hurricanes, a Lancaster and a Dakota when,with the exception of the Lancaster, there are numerous privately operated Spitfires and Hurricanes out there
So if we were to axe the BBMF how much would be saved as a percentage of the defence budget??
Beter scrap HMS Victory at the same time
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Just waiting for someone to come up with the obvious solution.
1. Move ALL flying training to RAF Valley. This will have a knock on positive effect on morale as every operational posting after RAF Valley will seem like Butlins.
2. Move the RAFAT into RAF Brize Norton where there is plenty of space and they could compare posing notes with the Falcons. This will be the first stage of Op CONCENTRATE, where in time, the whole of the RAF will relocate to RAF Brize Norton, this will save lots of the defence budget, although MoD may have to rent or buy some of the fields surrounding the base to provide car parking space for personell.
1. Move ALL flying training to RAF Valley. This will have a knock on positive effect on morale as every operational posting after RAF Valley will seem like Butlins.
2. Move the RAFAT into RAF Brize Norton where there is plenty of space and they could compare posing notes with the Falcons. This will be the first stage of Op CONCENTRATE, where in time, the whole of the RAF will relocate to RAF Brize Norton, this will save lots of the defence budget, although MoD may have to rent or buy some of the fields surrounding the base to provide car parking space for personell.
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CA, what you say is true to a point but I disagree that the A46 has the capacity. I was not thinking of the air show but regular museum traffic. The A15 might be straight but is otherwise pitiful. I agree the motorway access is good but that is why the A15 is inadequate.
The hangars are an issue. If they are listed and I can't think why as they are not unique. A!ing the ridge you have Kirton Lindsey, Hemswell, Scampton, Waddington, Digby and Cranwell - take your pick. Or Binbrook, Manby, Cottesmore. Then I believe there is no requirement for the MOD to either maintain or retain a listed building.
Many might not like Hendon and think it too far away, but I would bet they have a much more populous catchment area and a greater footfall.
The hangars are an issue. If they are listed and I can't think why as they are not unique. A!ing the ridge you have Kirton Lindsey, Hemswell, Scampton, Waddington, Digby and Cranwell - take your pick. Or Binbrook, Manby, Cottesmore. Then I believe there is no requirement for the MOD to either maintain or retain a listed building.
Many might not like Hendon and think it too far away, but I would bet they have a much more populous catchment area and a greater footfall.
Would that be the HMS VICTORY that was handed over to a private charity some years ago and which is only in notional commission with the RN?
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I have read all the comments with interest. We recently visited the heritage museum, never having been to Scampton before. What I found incredible was the security to get in, and yes I know it is an operational airfield. But the reds were away and nothing else moved. It is a tired old place with a massive concrete runway.
I learn that to walk around the perimeter fence is 15 miles. Can that be right? So that is one hell of a piece of real estate. But what could anyone do with it?
Return to farming? How much would it cost to clean it up? There will be all sorts of contanimants on site.
Once you fence off the listed hangers, built a museum and then an industrial estate what on earth do you do with the rest?
Just my 2p's worth.
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I learn that to walk around the perimeter fence is 15 miles. Can that be right? So that is one hell of a piece of real estate. But what could anyone do with it?
Return to farming? How much would it cost to clean it up? There will be all sorts of contanimants on site.
Once you fence off the listed hangers, built a museum and then an industrial estate what on earth do you do with the rest?
Just my 2p's worth.
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I would like to know the actual deal when it was originally built, at several ex military airfields, the land had to be offered back to the original owners descendants as it was often compulsory purchased, I seem to remember something when Hatfield was closed by Wasteaspace because of the financial gains to be had from the hardcore under the runway, it was then a clause was discovered that if the runway ever went they had at the time to restore it to farmland, it wasn't so some solution must have been found.
i just think airfields should not be brownfield sites and if they are developers taking them on should be made to develop the equivalent area in inner cities to get the go ahead.
i just think airfields should not be brownfield sites and if they are developers taking them on should be made to develop the equivalent area in inner cities to get the go ahead.
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So Champage anyone
Your plan for relocating stuff to Scampton is interesting apart from the fact its falling apart... Go look at the taxiways for a start.
As for putting anything from Linton into Coningsby (correct spelling by the way, from someone that's grown up around the place) Where you going to put it ??
3,11, (soon to be 12) 29 41 and TMF and add the jets in semi storage, means the place is full. Besides Tucanos will be gone soon and we all know where the Texans will be
Your plan for relocating stuff to Scampton is interesting apart from the fact its falling apart... Go look at the taxiways for a start.
As for putting anything from Linton into Coningsby (correct spelling by the way, from someone that's grown up around the place) Where you going to put it ??
3,11, (soon to be 12) 29 41 and TMF and add the jets in semi storage, means the place is full. Besides Tucanos will be gone soon and we all know where the Texans will be
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There's much more going on at Scampton than just the aerobatics of 9 red jets. 1ACC's CRC at Scampton is the operational element, delivering air surveillance and control at part of UK and NATO Air Policing as part of a 24/7 commitment.
You forgot the Chipmunks!!!
The RAF don't have to run the Museum... You are missing the point entirely! This would be a privately funded affair... With monies raised split between the museum and renting the 'live attractions access' The RAF would continue at Scampton they same as they are now, with the addition of the BBMF being on site.
The RIAT style events would be run in the same way as they are now...
And your'e right,,, there's a big museum in London, but there are loads of museums in London; thats over 150 miles away! and not everyone wants to go to London, nor can afford to go to London. You have seen the extortionate prices charged down south at most attractions haven't you??
Why not locate something in an area badly lacking in historical attractions and make it more accessible for more than just southerners????
The RAF don't have to run the Museum... You are missing the point entirely! This would be a privately funded affair... With monies raised split between the museum and renting the 'live attractions access' The RAF would continue at Scampton they same as they are now, with the addition of the BBMF being on site.
The RIAT style events would be run in the same way as they are now...
And your'e right,,, there's a big museum in London, but there are loads of museums in London; thats over 150 miles away! and not everyone wants to go to London, nor can afford to go to London. You have seen the extortionate prices charged down south at most attractions haven't you??
Why not locate something in an area badly lacking in historical attractions and make it more accessible for more than just southerners????
northerner
Linton is ideally situated for the Basic Fast Jet Training role, oodles of free airspace and easy access to the low level system in any direction, RLG nearby, most of which is not applicable to Valley without transit times. With only 10 Tucano replacements ordered, there would be plenty of scope to move the Reds to Linton, their training requirements could easily be tailored round the BFJTs movements.
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Far to sensible.... it will never catch on
Scampton Opportunity
PM request for any PPruner who has relevant contacts, RAF, local council or otherwise re purchase of Scampton. Will be an honour to provide state-of-the-art heritage centre etc etc. Don’t need comments about lousy road/rail links, plan will never work etc (you don’t know the plan!). Just after contact from someone whom might be useful in helping to keep flying and Heritage at Scampton.
Not listed on e-PIMS yet but would like to be involved early so relevant people know that there is a credible option where the MOD get their vital funds and the locals keep the airfield’s legacy alive.
.......and before you ask, we are not relying on Pprune to ensure success, but it is another media that has sometimes proved useful ;-)
Back to the drifted thread - 2000-hours of flying in NI and only ever witnessed an Army helicopter (screaming sperm) running from a contact 12/8/92 and a downed Lynx due to flying constant angle approach in SA. 🤐
Not listed on e-PIMS yet but would like to be involved early so relevant people know that there is a credible option where the MOD get their vital funds and the locals keep the airfield’s legacy alive.
.......and before you ask, we are not relying on Pprune to ensure success, but it is another media that has sometimes proved useful ;-)
Back to the drifted thread - 2000-hours of flying in NI and only ever witnessed an Army helicopter (screaming sperm) running from a contact 12/8/92 and a downed Lynx due to flying constant angle approach in SA. 🤐
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It will go to a number of the major developers, it will be divided up into different blocks with school, shops, etc and twee names like Lancaster Crescent, Dog Lane, Gibson Way, and job done.
CA
The A46 Bypass round Lincoln is an abysmal road; I too use it very frequently.
you will be aware that it is not yet complete as a bypass, much of it (close to the A15) is single carriageway and, (during the periods 7am-9am and 3pm-5:30pm) is nothing short of a standstill at times. The A15 is generally straight, but bad in summer for farm vehicles, lorries and general slower moving traffic. It also has many dips and inclines. It is known as a major death road as people overtake and take risks here. It was so bad that my wife and I moved away from Lincoln in terms of our work so we wouldn't be using the road. Winter further amplified the nightmare.
Enough of the RAC Lesson
Scampton RIP, - great tour on CFS
The A46 Bypass round Lincoln is an abysmal road; I too use it very frequently.
you will be aware that it is not yet complete as a bypass, much of it (close to the A15) is single carriageway and, (during the periods 7am-9am and 3pm-5:30pm) is nothing short of a standstill at times. The A15 is generally straight, but bad in summer for farm vehicles, lorries and general slower moving traffic. It also has many dips and inclines. It is known as a major death road as people overtake and take risks here. It was so bad that my wife and I moved away from Lincoln in terms of our work so we wouldn't be using the road. Winter further amplified the nightmare.
Enough of the RAC Lesson
Scampton RIP, - great tour on CFS
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R&G, thanks for the confirmation 
we have to use it at 3.30 and again at 5. The 46 that is.
we have to use it at 3.30 and again at 5. The 46 that is.
It's not just the section of the A46 around Lincoln which is dire! When the Leicester - Newark section was finally dualled in 2011, that left a ridiculous single carriageway section around Newark which is a real bottleneck, plus a really dangerous roundabout junction. It seems that this may well be dualled too, but work won't start until 2020-ish...
Lincoln's western bypass is a travesty - particularly where dual carriageway sections become single carriageway. The roundabout junctions can't really cope with large vehicles either. It should have been built as a dual carriageway for the entire length to the A15 junction.
They're now building an eastern bypass from the A15 to Wragby Road - but again that's all single carriageway, so will undoubtedly become yet another bottleneck.
The 'missing link' between the A46 and A15 might become the 'North Hykeham relief road', but again there's doubt about whether it'll be a dual carriageway.
I've been driving from the south west to Lincolnshire since the late '60s. Parts have improved as anyone who ever remembers the magical mystery tour of the Leicester ring road and the subsequent crawl up the Fosse Way will probably agree. But until there's a proper dual carriageway along the entire length from Leicester to the A158 Wragby Road, it'll always be inadequate.
As for the A15 north to Hull - well, it's a lot better using the A15 and a bit of M180 to the Humber bridge than the old crawl through Brigg to the New Holland ferry and the 40 year old paddle steamer to Hull ever was!
Lincoln's western bypass is a travesty - particularly where dual carriageway sections become single carriageway. The roundabout junctions can't really cope with large vehicles either. It should have been built as a dual carriageway for the entire length to the A15 junction.
They're now building an eastern bypass from the A15 to Wragby Road - but again that's all single carriageway, so will undoubtedly become yet another bottleneck.
The 'missing link' between the A46 and A15 might become the 'North Hykeham relief road', but again there's doubt about whether it'll be a dual carriageway.
I've been driving from the south west to Lincolnshire since the late '60s. Parts have improved as anyone who ever remembers the magical mystery tour of the Leicester ring road and the subsequent crawl up the Fosse Way will probably agree. But until there's a proper dual carriageway along the entire length from Leicester to the A158 Wragby Road, it'll always be inadequate.
As for the A15 north to Hull - well, it's a lot better using the A15 and a bit of M180 to the Humber bridge than the old crawl through Brigg to the New Holland ferry and the 40 year old paddle steamer to Hull ever was!