UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/over...ealth-fighter/
Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter
This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years.
The information came to light via a written response to a parliamentary question. James Cartlidge, Minister of State for the Ministry of Defence, stated:
“The March 2021 Defence Command Paper reaffirmed that that we will invest more than £2 billion in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) out to 2025, and we have spent over £1.8 billion so far. This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years. The amount that we ultimately invest will be determined at future decision points.
Furthermore, the Ministry of Defence has invested over £1.1 billion in R&D through the Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative (FCAS TI), with a further £600 million from our Team Tempest industry partners to date.”
….Under the current timeline, the programme expects to begin the formal development phase from 2025, with a demonstrator to fly in 2027, and production aircraft to begin entering service from 2035.
Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter
This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years.
The information came to light via a written response to a parliamentary question. James Cartlidge, Minister of State for the Ministry of Defence, stated:
“The March 2021 Defence Command Paper reaffirmed that that we will invest more than £2 billion in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) out to 2025, and we have spent over £1.8 billion so far. This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years. The amount that we ultimately invest will be determined at future decision points.
Furthermore, the Ministry of Defence has invested over £1.1 billion in R&D through the Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative (FCAS TI), with a further £600 million from our Team Tempest industry partners to date.”
….Under the current timeline, the programme expects to begin the formal development phase from 2025, with a demonstrator to fly in 2027, and production aircraft to begin entering service from 2035.
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"Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" is true as far as it goes but a little misleading - more accurate to say the money was spent on keeping BAe and others in business. Look tathe announcement the other day on teh money spent on "research" into a new UK N warhead - its the cost of maintaining an industry really
"Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" is true as far as it goes but a little misleading - more accurate to say the money was spent on keeping BAe and others in business. Look tathe announcement the other day on teh money spent on "research" into a new UK N warhead - its the cost of maintaining an industry really
Think of it as money spent protecting the entire investment made on health, education, social welfare et.al. It:s also the price paid to stay at the cutting edge of technology and 'soft power' globally. I'd say the money spent is an absolute bargain. I'd wager the NHS alone wastes more money in one year than these defence budgets over their entire lifespans.
In my humble opinion of course.
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"Defence is of key strategic importance."
I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.
No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..
I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.
No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..
"Defence is of key strategic importance."
I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.
No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..
I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.
No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..
No problem............... 
Nothing to do with air combat procedures
I believe that what can go wrong will go wrong - and to carry out an exercise with "poor exercise planning leaving the Typhoons encumbered by role equipment without the kit to remove it " may have inadvertently flagged a possible issue that presumably will stay with those responsible and (hopefully) ensure that if things turn hot they will remember the incident. We've managed to lose an F-35 due to simple procedures being forgotten/waived/ignored.
I believe that what can go wrong will go wrong - and to carry out an exercise with "poor exercise planning leaving the Typhoons encumbered by role equipment without the kit to remove it " may have inadvertently flagged a possible issue that presumably will stay with those responsible and (hopefully) ensure that if things turn hot they will remember the incident. We've managed to lose an F-35 due to simple procedures being forgotten/waived/ignored.
No idea - see Easy Streets post #405 last november above
Apologies if this is old information, but a very interesting read nonetheless:
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/the...ay-is-tempest/
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/the...ay-is-tempest/
Designing Tempest from the inside out
Article in the RAeS blog. A veritable smorgasbord of acronyms! Interesting reading though.
ES
Bingo. It was a few days in India enroute back from some east Asian exercise; they only had the kit which could be transported on the tanker, and if memory serves correctly even that was effectively hand tools only as the tanker had had to land at a different airfield. Of course, being British we were too polite (insecure?) to say "no" or perhaps even "you must be joking" to an invitation to some diplomatically-motivated activity, so BFM with tanks on against clean Su-27s it was, generating predictably awful PR for Typhoon in what should have been the prime of its export life. Still, got some nice photos eh?
BV
As I explained 18 years ago, naming multi-national aircraft to avoid national sensitivities can be difficult:
EF2000 Bureaufighter was named 'Typhoon' after a meeting between 'they-who-eat-Sauerkraut' and others some years ago..........
UK: "We need a name for this new jet. We don't think that Spitfire II would be terribly suitable, so we suggest a name following on the 'wind' tradition started by Tornado. How about 'Tempest'?"
t-w-e-S: "Nein. We are with this not happy being. Verdammte Englanders did my father in his Me262 mit ein Hawker Tempest shoot down. Ve suggest Sturm!"
UK: "No, sorry old chap. Too many memories of Storm Troopers goose-stepping across Europe..... We'd prefer 'Hurricane'"
t-w-e-S: "Nein. This is not possible."
UK: "OK - something else then. How about 'Typhoon'.....?"
t-w-e-S: "Nein! You also had those in the Second Weltkrieg. Ve do NOT vant unser aircraft so named being....
UK: "Ah - but you had a 'Typhoon' or rather 'Taifun' as well. Me 108 Taifun, if you recall....!"
t-w-e-S: "Himmel! Sie haben recht. Ve did indeed. Perhaps ve can consider this?"
UK: "OK - perhaps. Or what about 'Cyclone'? No-one had any aeroplane called 'Cyclone'?"
t-w-e-S: "Hmm. Sehr interesting. Zis ist perhaps OK. Ja - ve are liking 'Cyclone', oder, wie sagt man auf Deutsch, 'Zyklon'. Ve can fur das Singleseaterflugzeug 'Zyklon A' have, und fur das Doppelseaterjagdbomberflugzeug, vielleicht 'Zyklon B'......"
UK: "Ahhh - we don't think that would be a terribly good name. We want to sell our jet overseas. We don't think that 'Zyklon B' would go down terribly well with some of our potential customers. Such as Israel....."
t-w-e-S: "Ach so. Perhaps then ve should agree on 'Taifun'!"
UK: "Yes. ‘Typhoon’ it is then. Spot of lunch, old chap?"
t-w-e-S: "Danke
UK: "We need a name for this new jet. We don't think that Spitfire II would be terribly suitable, so we suggest a name following on the 'wind' tradition started by Tornado. How about 'Tempest'?"
t-w-e-S: "Nein. We are with this not happy being. Verdammte Englanders did my father in his Me262 mit ein Hawker Tempest shoot down. Ve suggest Sturm!"
UK: "No, sorry old chap. Too many memories of Storm Troopers goose-stepping across Europe..... We'd prefer 'Hurricane'"
t-w-e-S: "Nein. This is not possible."
UK: "OK - something else then. How about 'Typhoon'.....?"
t-w-e-S: "Nein! You also had those in the Second Weltkrieg. Ve do NOT vant unser aircraft so named being....
UK: "Ah - but you had a 'Typhoon' or rather 'Taifun' as well. Me 108 Taifun, if you recall....!"
t-w-e-S: "Himmel! Sie haben recht. Ve did indeed. Perhaps ve can consider this?"
UK: "OK - perhaps. Or what about 'Cyclone'? No-one had any aeroplane called 'Cyclone'?"
t-w-e-S: "Hmm. Sehr interesting. Zis ist perhaps OK. Ja - ve are liking 'Cyclone', oder, wie sagt man auf Deutsch, 'Zyklon'. Ve can fur das Singleseaterflugzeug 'Zyklon A' have, und fur das Doppelseaterjagdbomberflugzeug, vielleicht 'Zyklon B'......"
UK: "Ahhh - we don't think that would be a terribly good name. We want to sell our jet overseas. We don't think that 'Zyklon B' would go down terribly well with some of our potential customers. Such as Israel....."
t-w-e-S: "Ach so. Perhaps then ve should agree on 'Taifun'!"
UK: "Yes. ‘Typhoon’ it is then. Spot of lunch, old chap?"
t-w-e-S: "Danke
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Designing Tempest from the inside out
Article in the RAeS blog. A veritable smorgasbord of acronyms! Interesting reading though.https://www.aerosociety.com/news/des...he-inside-out/
