11 Group to Reform
LJ - if your prediction is correct, would that be Shelly wearing 3 hats, or would the COS Ops job become defunct? Also, is there another FHQ in the pot with a job for another 1* and his/her team?
PA -I believe that the COS Ops AOR will become 11Gp. What I don’t yet understand is how that stacks up against the other Groups that were before subservient to what was a HQ Air function in a similar way that COS Pers is for personnel. But 38Gp probably mirrors what 11Gp will become? I’m sure this will come into play with the Air Transformation work due to be reported soon?
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"Cyber & Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance" ... CISR.
I wonder what the new Commander will be called behind his back, Brutus?
I wonder what the new Commander will be called behind his back, Brutus?
Please post your source. I've spoken to contacts on IX who think they're going through to March 2019. If that's not the case then there has been a complete failure of internal comms somewhere, and with postings and family movements at stake a fairly gross one at that. Mind you nothing would surprise me.
Please post your source
"Today I can announce that the next new Typhoon squadron will be Number 9 Squadron, and will start to form at RAF Lossiemouth later this year."
"Today I can announce that the next new Typhoon squadron will be Number 9 Squadron, and will start to form at RAF Lossiemouth later this year."
It's perfectly normal for a shadow unit to build up ahead of numberplate transfer.
I think that 2 (Typhoon) Sqn was busy forming at Lossie whilst 2 (Tornado) was still going at Marham. Then when the late decision to retain 3 GR4 Sqns was taken because of Op Shader, 2 (Tornado) had to become 12 Sqn, which had itself just disbanded at Lossie!
I think that 2 (Typhoon) Sqn was busy forming at Lossie whilst 2 (Tornado) was still going at Marham
2 Squadron stood up as a Typhoon unit the day after disbanding as a Tornado unit.
Then when the late decision to retain 3 GR4 Sqns was taken because of Op Shader, 2 (Tornado) had to become 12 Sqn, which had itself just disbanded at Lossie!
Any examples of before ??
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It happened when the Lightning squadrons in Germany transitioned to the Phantom; also the Jaguar squadrons began life as, for example 6(Designate), losing the ‘designate’ suffix upon the Phantom FBSA airframes moving to the AD role. I forget off the top of my head if those squadrons renumbered or whether we had 111(Designate), 23 (Designate) while the Lightning squadrons with those numberplates disbanded.
The practice was mooted for Typhoon, but as I recall there wasn’t enough money nor enough people to allow the F3 and Jaguar squadron (i.e. 6) to continue with their previous airframe while the ‘designate’ Squadron worked up on type and then took over the role.
When this was done, the squadron with the old type would traditionally cease to exist on type at 2359hrs on the due day, take a minute (metaphorically) re-equip and then, at 0001, would be in a position to resume work with its new aircraft.
The practice was mooted for Typhoon, but as I recall there wasn’t enough money nor enough people to allow the F3 and Jaguar squadron (i.e. 6) to continue with their previous airframe while the ‘designate’ Squadron worked up on type and then took over the role.
When this was done, the squadron with the old type would traditionally cease to exist on type at 2359hrs on the due day, take a minute (metaphorically) re-equip and then, at 0001, would be in a position to resume work with its new aircraft.
Well, I suppose It depends on how you define “stood up” (urgh). There were certainly pilots wearing 2 Sqn badges flying Typhoons from Lossie whilst 2 at Marham we’re still going but no, the Sqn Standard had not been transferred yet.
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LJ, I knew that, hence the more about Army. I was implying duplication of certain words and no doubt functions.
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CAS' speech at APC 18...
Tornado/Typhoon/Protector comments are at about the 9:00 min mark...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8eq92bF8A&feature=youtu.be
-RP
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8eq92bF8A&feature=youtu.be
-RP
Thanks RP. The word “currently” is a nice little get-out clause but no difference in dates between the squadrons at the moment.
Just goes to show how wary you need to be of media reports!
“... the final two Tornado squadrons, number IX and number 31 Squadron, are currently due to disband when the Tornado retires from RAF service in March next year.”
