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Stolen C-130: Well worth the long read.

Old 8th Jul 2018, 18:43
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There are 3 relevant questions that need to be asked and at least plausible answers provided.

1. Why shoot it down? The aircraft was heading into French airspace and the only area or site that might require it was stopped quickly is the French nuclear reprocessing plant at La Hogue. Anything else and it becomes a French problem and their decision.

2. Who would authorise the shoot down? It has to be a political decision, no serving officer would have authority to order engagement of an aircraft that represented no threat to the UK even if the US authorities requested it. It is just within the realms of possibility that they might accede to a French request to do so if they were unable to deal with the situation themselves. But it would almost certainly require US agreement.

3. How would the intercept be controlled and by what means would the authorisation to engage be promulgated and relayed to the interceptor? Thereís now a long chain stretching back to Wattisham, High Wycombe, MoD, Foreign Office, West Drayton, CRC et al. Thatís an awful lot of people in the know and this is a quite exceptional event.

BTW I donít believe in Conspiracy Theories but readily subscribe to the C**k Up Theory.

Answers on a postcard please.

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 20:20
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Originally Posted by jimjim1 View Post
BBC mentions -


Were RAF Hunters ever fitted with Air to Air missiles?
Dutch or Belgian Hunters ( I cannot remember which after 55 years) were definitely fitted with Sidewinder air to air missiles.
I know this, as I was tasked with removing the rails from the aircraft wings when they were returned to Hawkers for refurbishment and resale.
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 20:23
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I recall seeing Dutch Hunters with Sidewinder at Soesteburg in 1965.

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 21:56
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More about the 1969 C-130 incident in this earlier PPRuNe thread:

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:00
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There are 3 relevant questions that need to be asked and at least plausible answers provided
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it is entirely unclear to me why anybody needs to provide any answers to any questions, plausible or otherwise, unless a UK prosecuting authority determines that there are questions to be answered. I looked on the UK prosecuting authorities website where they are all listed, and I confess I could not find PPRuNe on it
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:12
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It really doesn't surprise me that Groombucket had the sense to decline to be interviewed about this bolleauxÖ.
What's Groombucket up to these days ? Been a while.......
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:54
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I posted copies of some contemporay press cuttimgs about this event on PPRuNe here:
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 07:58
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What's Groombucket up to these days ? Been a while.......
see PM. .
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 11:06
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BTW I donít believe in Conspiracy Theories but readily subscribe to the C**k Up Theory.
I wonder what it is that gets people into the mindset that they would prefer an outlandish explanation for an event rather than the more credible (but possible boring) one. No doubt psychologists have researched this phenomenon and published papers on the subject

Personally I have filed the C130 shoot-down story along with the Kennedy assassination/fake moon landing/UFO abduction stories. I suppose there is a whole section of society who believe that "they" are behind everything, and I doubt if they will ever be convinced by more mundane facts
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 08:23
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Another thing that doesn't sound right... Did Hunters ever do Q? If not, how did it get in the air so quickly?

Unless the Hunter happened to be already airborne in the area and was asked to divert for a look?
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
I wonder what it is that gets people into the mindset that they would prefer an outlandish explanation for an event rather than the more credible (but possible boring) one. No doubt psychologists have researched this phenomenon and published papers on the subject

Personally I have filed the C130 shoot-down story along with the Kennedy assassination/fake moon landing/UFO abduction stories. I suppose there is a whole section of society who believe that "they" are behind everything, and I doubt if they will ever be convinced by more mundane facts
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 19:08
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Originally Posted by gr4techie View Post
Another thing that doesn't sound right... Did Hunters ever do Q? If not, how did it get in the air so quickly?

Unless the Hunter happened to be already airborne in the area and was asked to divert for a look?
Hunter going Night-flying at c. 0500 ... hahahahahah

Fred J****es of fond memory (all his career a DFGA pilot) was reputedly night-flying at Tengah while hiding in the Compass Swing base, but making the appropriate r/t calls
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Very interesting ORAC - thanks. I have a chemtrails believer in my family and nothing I can say will shake her from her belief. She is of above average intelligence, but that seems to apply to some people who believe in the most bizarre theories.

Anyway I am going to take more notice of my sandwiches as I eat them from now on!
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Very interesting ORAC - thanks. I have a chemtrails believer in my family and nothing I can say will shake her from her belief. She is of above average intelligence, but that seems to apply to some people who believe in the most bizarre theories.

Anyway I am going to take more notice of my sandwiches as I eat them from now on!
Direct her to the following website.

Contrail Science ? The Science and Pseudoscience of Contrails and Chemtrails
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