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RAF Beards...?

Old 2nd Nov 2019, 17:16
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A fair comment if you can join the dots between beard and hypoxia
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 17:21
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Just to clarify the above. I’ve flown LOX, GOX and OBOGS. I’ve flown clean shaven and with a (tatty attempt at) a beard. I’ve had smoke and fumes. I’ve ‘toggled down’ in anger; but I really, really don’t get this one. Whatever happened - if it turns out to be the beard’s fault I will marinate, sauté and then ingest my hat.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 17:29
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This is all because of a badly thought out policy, terrible implemented and now it's affected people with genuine med conditions who have been flying without incident for years.

If you're telling me that it's fine to fly with a beard on faith and religious grounds vs flying with a genuine medical condition, then that's legal grounds for discrimination.

This is just utter nonsense. Do some testing, on specific masks and make a sensible call.

Just embarrassing.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by CharlieMike View Post


I can’t understand the rationale for allowing it when the risk isn’t solely to the first party. An aircraft crash because of a hypoxic pilot with a beard potentially wipes out third party.
What happens to the second party?
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 20:24
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
What happens to the second party?
He’s his Barber, and stays on the ground.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by 4Greens View Post
Beards may interfere with the use of an oxygen mask.
disproven in the university study “The efficacy of oxygen Delivery masks for Commercial Pilots with facial hair” by Sherri Ferguson SFU Canada.

Their summary; “The policy of a clean-shaven face is based on outdated research on obsolete equipment and testing on respirators not intended for aircrew oxygen delivery.”

This study tested oxygen masks from a320 and b767 so not military masks.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 09:44
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A cynic might think all this activity was because it's an area the Duty Holders can actually say they've done something, rather than having to go through all the hoops of justifying spending money to solve an actual safety issue....
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 19:37
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Drove through the local village this afternoon which is where the local RAF Station FMQs are. Saw about 6 or 7 RAF Personnel in uniform and all had beards. Nothing against beards or this relaxing of the rules but it did not look good.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 22:44
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I do believe the regulations now say that aircrew are to be “clean shaven” so let’s get those moustaches off too please chaps!

lol
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 04:41
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I remember how weird airpods looked until I adjusted my datums - now folks with wires stand out!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:32
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Originally Posted by StopStart View Post
I do believe the regulations now say that aircrew are to be “clean shaven” so let’s get those moustaches off too please chaps!

lol
What! Slug-balancing is a fundamental aspect of the cultural identity of RAF aircrew.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 12:22
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Not when I was in, Brain Potter. I remember back in the 70s the only chap on the station who wore a handle bar moustache was a young equipment officer (as they were then called). He also drove a vintage sports car, and was obviously a frustrated wannabee pilot who was playing the part, as he saw it. Just looked at our 1972 squadron photo and hardly any moustaches are in evidence, thank goodness - never liked them unless part of the "full set"
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by StopStart View Post
I do believe the regulations now say that aircrew are to be “clean shaven” so let’s get those moustaches off too please chaps!

lol
As mentioned earlier, that is true for those aircrew who require to wear an oxygen mask.

Those that do not are not required to remove their beards.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 13:28
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If moustaches and oxygen masks aren’t compatible someone needs to tell the USN immediately...
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 21:18
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What actual testing has been done?

Nothing published.

however Air Canada did a thorough study in 2018. Seems there is no problem.

Will people be able to fly according to their religious beliefs?

No official answer.

Will military personnel be allowed to fly in Air Tanker if their civvy pilots have beards ( the exact plane military pilots can't fly with a beard?) and therefore are they at risk if so?!

No answer.

Just hopeless.

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Old 25th Nov 2019, 04:34
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Previous posters have already alluded to the fact but I will echo the sentiments. I have spent the last two years flying with facial fluff. Admittedly it’s not exactly a full Brian Blessed but it is definitely a beard.

I have not experienced any issues and regularly operate in a variety of height regimes.

I understand that it polarises opinion but I think it is a welcome change. Besides, I have always hated shaving.

BV
BV,

I hated shaving too but then I bought a Double Edge razor. It changed the experience for me.

Give it a go. You save a lot of money on blades and cans of foam as well.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 13:26
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You save a lot of money on blades and cans of foam as well
Cans of foam? How vulgar.....
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