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To be fair its clamed down a lot quite quickly.
The video of some crow Rocks at end of course getting a brief before their "five miles of death" and being toe to toe with the Royals and Paras usually appeared quite quickly which deflected attention pretty rapidly and effectively.
In fact the batter pointed towards it was far harsher and funnier. But it wasn't towards the individual giving the briefing just Rocks in general.
The video of some crow Rocks at end of course getting a brief before their "five miles of death" and being toe to toe with the Royals and Paras usually appeared quite quickly which deflected attention pretty rapidly and effectively.
In fact the batter pointed towards it was far harsher and funnier. But it wasn't towards the individual giving the briefing just Rocks in general.
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"Is it Company Policy to fly the approach on the Standard Pressure Setting?"
Immediate 'cross cockpit gradient' double takes followed by handfuls of millibars (or was it inches of mercury? 
) wound off the altimeters and circa 300ft of separation re-established against other traffic........
On the flight deck of a 737 descending into Malaga; captain was making a pa announcement; ATC instruct us to descend to what I heard as FL110; F/O reads back 'descend to FL100'. I query this; F/O asks captain who has finished his cabin pa; captain asks ATC; ATC reply 'flight level one six zero'.
Captain turns to me and says 'that sort of thing happens all the time round here'!
Captain turns to me and says 'that sort of thing happens all the time round here'!
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Pre 9/11, I was sat in the jumps seat in the cockpit of a late evening flight LGW-MLA with Air Malta. Both crew with feet up on instrument panel. Somewhere down the west side of Italy, ATC says "Reroute via Point Bravo" [loads of those, I'm sure]. Flurry of maps, and Captain says to FO "Probably that intersection there" and winds heading knob on the autopilot.
I slightly lost confidence in flying with them after that.
I slightly lost confidence in flying with them after that.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
MPN, we met a Britannia crew (airline) ordered to divert from Fontarosa to Pantelleria. They opted for Luqa as they didn't know where Pantelleria was.
Mind you, a Canberra crew on Bomber Command exercise never found Machrahanish, or the VC 10 crew on the Polar flight didn't know about Longyearben; big enough for an emergency.
Mind you, a Canberra crew on Bomber Command exercise never found Machrahanish, or the VC 10 crew on the Polar flight didn't know about Longyearben; big enough for an emergency.
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Wish I'd never found Machrihanish........
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You would have lost even more confidence watching Air Malta overshoot behind the tower on a dark and stormy night - ATC was like the proverbial 'tree full of owls'!!
I slightly lost confidence in flying with them after that.
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Return MLA-LHR one night (super holiday): hostie reads out the spiel for a Boeing 737. Polite pax hear her out - then someone tells her she's in an Airbus 320 !
"Collapse of Stout Party" (as Punch used to say).
"Collapse of Stout Party" (as Punch used to say).
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FZ [and others] ... when the OH was serving in Malta in the 70s, she flew quite regularly with them back to UK. Back then they had a Pakistani captain who wouldn't land at Luqa if it was raining, and always diverted to somewhere in Italy!
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Apocryphal Story (nav training flight):
Student Nav to Pilot: "Change Course!" (we called them "Courses" in those days)
......"What New Course ?" ......."Any Course better than this bloody Course !""
Student Nav to Pilot: "Change Course!" (we called them "Courses" in those days)
......"What New Course ?" ......."Any Course better than this bloody Course !""
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"Is it Company Policy to fly the approach on the Standard Pressure Setting?"
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As a slight thread drift...
This miss the transition change over is actually quiet common when the sop is to do it at transition. the more modern FMC machines you can program a warning so the computer will remind you.
If you do it the British way when your cleared, its over 10 times less likely. And this isn't just a Brit having to change its also colleagues who were initially trained to change at TA/TL. I will admit I have done it as well when working at a company which had it as a hard SOP it had to happen at transition.
While using the UK method I have had a stop climb/decent maybe 3 times in 15 years which required a resetting of standard or QNH. Only one of them resulted in a level bust which was going to happen anyway when your descending at 2500ft/min and your given 800ft to level off. It was 1015 QNH that was set so it captured early and still over shot by 400 ft thankfully the cabin was strapped in.
This miss the transition change over is actually quiet common when the sop is to do it at transition. the more modern FMC machines you can program a warning so the computer will remind you.
If you do it the British way when your cleared, its over 10 times less likely. And this isn't just a Brit having to change its also colleagues who were initially trained to change at TA/TL. I will admit I have done it as well when working at a company which had it as a hard SOP it had to happen at transition.
While using the UK method I have had a stop climb/decent maybe 3 times in 15 years which required a resetting of standard or QNH. Only one of them resulted in a level bust which was going to happen anyway when your descending at 2500ft/min and your given 800ft to level off. It was 1015 QNH that was set so it captured early and still over shot by 400 ft thankfully the cabin was strapped in.
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Sorry to hear Sgt Coombs taking such a pasting; for what it’s worth,nobody in the airline world is likely to have regarded it with anything other than mild amusement. We get stuff like that all the time, a few chancers but mostly well-meant. Recently a gentleman in his 80’s boarded in a wheelchair. He earnestly presented a letter to his helpers stating “its extremely important you show this to the Captain”. The letter announced him as a qualified RAF pilot who was prepared to assist us in any emergency. Fortunately this wasn’t needed; turned out he’d flown Wellingtons
