INCIDENT AT VALLEY
Having said that, however unpleasant, probably less unpleasant than the alternative.
The "unaware" pilot claimed he was regaining control of the aircraft. The BOI agreed with the nav that the aircraft was indeed out of control and was about to crash imminently.
Indeed he did. Presumably he was playing with it rather than indulge in trivia such as completing the after take-off checks. He was most unappreciative of the nav's actions that undoubtedly saved his life. The nav suffered a broken back so spent quite a while in hospital.
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Indeed he did. Presumably he was playing with it rather than indulge in trivia such as completing the after take-off checks. He was most unappreciative of the nav's actions that undoubtedly saved his life. The nav suffered a broken back so spent quite a while in hospital.
No sour grapes there, at least not in print.
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He didn't by any chance come off helicopters?
True, but not exactly what he said or thought at the time. I don't think his book explained exactly what he did either that lead to the aircraft departing controlled flight at low level. If I recall correctly he was still promoting the idea that there was something wrong with the aircraft controls and that the engineers on the squadron knew about it.
NutLoose Crash in question happened in 1991. Pilot in question made the news a few years back for other reasons.
http://www.tornado-data.com/Producti...ash%20Data.pdf
http://www.tornado-data.com/Producti...ash%20Data.pdf
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True, but not exactly what he said or thought at the time. I don't think his book explained exactly what he did either that lead to the aircraft departing controlled flight at low level. If I recall correctly he was still promoting the idea that there was something wrong with the aircraft controls and that the engineers on the squadron knew about it.
All in I found his book a pretty honest and interesting portrayal of somebody the wrong side of 40 being sent into a combat zone. Though he says enough to make me belive that his own misgivings rubbed off to some negative extent on the team he led.
All history now of course, and not really the subject of this thread, so apologies.
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Well, bringing the thread back towards it’s actual subject, I do hope that Starky is recovering well and is working towards overcoming what must be an overwhelming feeling of guilt regardless of what led to the crash. The fact that the front seat of a Reds Hawk doesn’t action the rear seat during a CE is ridiculous and must be an easy fix. I’ve no more knowledge than anyone else on here as to what happened but, it’s obvious that the moment of realisation that it was time to get out was at the end of a very, very compressed period.
I know he’s already been replaced for the upcoming season but, let’s hope we see him in a red Hawk for the next one.
I know he’s already been replaced for the upcoming season but, let’s hope we see him in a red Hawk for the next one.
1. No, it isn't ridiculous.
2. No, it wouldn't be an easy 'fix'.
3. Rear seat passengers need to be properly briefed - or left on the ground.
4. To fly in the front, occupants would need to complete an extensive simulator and training course.
The Hawk is at is - and has been for not far off 40 years. There is no need to change anything to accommodate 'occasional' passengers - and the RAFAT engineers are given far more comprehensive training than any other Hawk passengers.
2. No, it wouldn't be an easy 'fix'.
3. Rear seat passengers need to be properly briefed - or left on the ground.
4. To fly in the front, occupants would need to complete an extensive simulator and training course.
The Hawk is at is - and has been for not far off 40 years. There is no need to change anything to accommodate 'occasional' passengers - and the RAFAT engineers are given far more comprehensive training than any other Hawk passengers.
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It’s not an utterly ridiculous suggestion. For the T1 yes maybe. But other Marks of Hawk are sufficiently equipped that putting pax in the front is both possible and, in my view, preferable.
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1. No, it isn't ridiculous.
2. No, it wouldn't be an easy 'fix'.
3. Rear seat passengers need to be properly briefed - or left on the ground.
4. To fly in the front, occupants would need to complete an extensive simulator and training course.
The Hawk is at is - and has been for not far off 40 years. There is no need to change anything to accommodate 'occasional' passengers - and the RAFAT engineers are given far more comprehensive training than any other Hawk passengers.
2. No, it wouldn't be an easy 'fix'.
3. Rear seat passengers need to be properly briefed - or left on the ground.
4. To fly in the front, occupants would need to complete an extensive simulator and training course.
The Hawk is at is - and has been for not far off 40 years. There is no need to change anything to accommodate 'occasional' passengers - and the RAFAT engineers are given far more comprehensive training than any other Hawk passengers.
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Put simply I can monitor my pax more effectively from the back seat and have the ability to take them with me in a controlled fashion should the need arise.
In modern Hawks the front seat also gives a better ‘experience’ due to the avionics suite. I can control everything I need to from the back seat. The pax would need no specific extra training to occupy the front seat.
Remember this is just my personal (hopefully informed) opinion.
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In modern Hawks the front seat also gives a better ‘experience’ due to the avionics suite. I can control everything I need to from the back seat. The pax would need no specific extra training to occupy the front seat.
Remember this is just my personal (hopefully informed) opinion.
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Following the 2011 Red Arrow accident, involving the death of Flt Lt Cunningham, it was recommended that modifications should be made to the ejection seat safety pin and the Seat Pan Firing Handle (SPFH). Does anyone know what modifications were finalised, and if they have now been embodied?
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