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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:34
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Is that it?! 😉

Youíre going to have to spill the beans now. You canít leave us hanging.

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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:39
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:03
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Surely the wrong way around - Air Force Cross, Queenís Comm, Green Endorsement and Good Show.

Whilst I appreciate it is neither British or RAF to boast about such matters, why is there such a general reluctance to:

1. Award such things?
2. Publically recognise such things (such as on uniforms, etc...)?
3. Publically talk about such things (eg. i have to search and find Sharpendís AFC on a 3rd Party amateur website)?

I know we donít want to go down the route of some nationís medalic recognition, but surely there is a compromise? I always thought it odd that we donít have a ribbon/badge for CAS/DCOM/AOC Commendations and Green Endorsements.

But obviously we need to avoid this happening!
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:13
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:20
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The stars are for the years when they haven't been shot.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:21
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In date order.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:41
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2nd from right is General Gong on Dong...

When a chum found out which (ex-Vulcan) co-pilot with whom I'd had to fly in 1991 during the Gulf War, he commented "Did they give you an AFC for having to go to war with that idiot?".

Harsh..........but fair! And the answer was no.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 14:30
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Pretty sure the 'Off-spring' got a GE for his handling of an engine failure in his Jag whilst tanking from a VC10 on the Iraq/Turkey border in '92. He's on his travels somewhere so will confirm later - but he does not like PPRuNe so may not like me posting about him!
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:33
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When it comes to medals and awards the parsimonious British have an innate moral superiority over those ridiculous foreigners...

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Old 18th Mar 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
AFAIK they are still awarded. It seems like they are heading the way of the VC though. I think youíd need to singlehandedly save half the country to spur anyone into actually recommending anyone for one.

That was uncharacteristicly pessimistic for me. Letís hope someone can prove me wrong.

BV, they are still awarded.

I wrote up a student a few years ago and he got a Good Show.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 19:07
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Originally Posted by jindabyne
1 GS, 2 GE, 1 QC, 1 AFC

Never said that before
I can match that. Well, apart from the GS, GEs, the QC and AFC.


(Impress-ed, not -ive)
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 19:16
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A chap I knew at Duxford got a GE in his logbook-he was flying a Meteor 8 in a pair with a JP who panicked whilst climbing through cloud and gave him a bump which jammed his rudder.

He made a wheels up recovery back at base using asymmetric power to control the aircraft IIRC.

Another chap at Duxford (a former TP and CO at Boscombe) managed a bar to his AFC (I don't know why he was awarded either).
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 21:56
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I think Fred Robertson RN eventually got his well deserved AFC on the totting up principle. He was awarded GE's for v hairy SAR work, SK SEWTO and a string of other things. He was also a bloody good Beefer.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 09:26
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Iíve received a couple of Brown Endorsements.......

Concur with the comments re attitude and quality of command chain to whether or not an incident is determined if it merits uncapping the pen - mixed in with Sqn politics, naturally.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 11:30
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A long time ago I wrote up a winchman for an 'honour or award' for going above and beyond to rescue a casualty at the base of a cliff in very heavy seas.
I then got a short missive to tell me that: a. As I hadn't been written up (as Capt of the aircraft) he couldn't have one, b. I hadn't been on the flight long enough to know bravery!! (this was my seventh flying tour) and c. It wasn't the done thing anyway.

Needless to say I was a bit miffed (actually very p...... off) and spoke at length to the sender, pointing out that I had done little more than sit in the hover whilst my crewman had been at the end of 300ft of cable wedged in rocks and being battered by very large seas, and I had enough experience to recognise when someone deserved an award. Nothing was done until just before he retired - he received an AOC's commendation (for services rendered!). I believe he went on to a successful career as a commercial pilot.

I should add: A few years later I was awarded a GE, but I never thought I deserved it. All I did was use prior experience/knowledge and self preservation and we all walked away.

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Old 19th Mar 2018, 17:52
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I refer to the two photographs sent in by Brain Potter.
In fact I've changed my mind. I don't want to refer to them at all.
Have they no shame. They are just so despicable.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 22:16
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To the Tower with you and your prejudice...
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 05:59
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Green endorsements are definitely still awarded. The recipient gets two rather corporate-looking certificates with a brief citation, one A4 and one logbook-sized, and also a RAF Safety Centre coin...

Itís not about the Ďtatí though, itís about the recognition, and as with honours and awards the following are required:

- An event which offers some potential of being written up (the least important thing on this list);
- Someone in the chain of command finding out about it;
- That someone caring enough about their people to devote time (often hours) to crafting a recommendation instead of fretting about whatever irrelevances their own Boss is interested in that week;
- That someone actually being able to write: note the demise of ISS a decade ago;
- That someone knowing how to structure and (truthfully) embellish a recommendation to maximise the chance of success.

The last is common corporate knowledge in the Army but not in the other services, meaning that effort has to be made to learn it, preferably from someone with a track record of successful recommendations. I would go so far as to say that honours and awards tell you as much about the recommender as the recipient.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 16:19
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I got two GEs on the same squadron. Everybody else thought that two partials should make a pass. However, not to be.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 10:11
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Originally Posted by BEagle
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I thought you were awarded a well-deserved AFC for that, Bluntie?

Lester certainly did deserve his Green Endorsement though.
Well I always did make the 'Air Force cross'
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