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Volunteering for a so called anti flu injection in the 1960’s

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Volunteering for a so called anti flu injection in the 1960’s

Does anyone recall “volunteering” for what was described as an injection that would prevent flu and colds in 1965?

This was certainly offered at FTS in the RAF.

Has anyone any information on what was actually in the syringe and any subsequent problems?
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Porton Down Biological and Chemical Warfare research - consult your solicitor and the Support Group www.portonveterans.8m.com

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...ience.research

The past Porton Down can't hide

As an inquest reopens into the death of a young airman 51 years ago, Rob Evans reveals the secrets of Britain's nerve gas tests

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Thu 6 May 2004 18.34 BST First published on Thu 6 May 2004 18.34 BST
Tucked away in 7,000 acres of beautiful Wiltshire countryside lies one of Britain's most infamous scientific establishments. Porton Down, founded in 1916, is the oldest chemical warfare research installation in the world. The tight secrecy which has surrounded the establishment for decades has fed the growth of all sorts of myths and rumours about its experiments. One Whitehall official once remarked that Porton had an image of "a sinister and nefarious establishment".

The Porton experiments on humans have attracted a good deal of criticism. It is, for example, alleged that the human "guinea pigs' - drawn from the armed forces and supposedly all volunteers - were duped into taking part in the tests. There are still concerns that the tests have damaged the long-term health of the human subjects.
This week, its work has been thrown into the spotlight once again: an inquest was reopened into the death, in May 1953, of a young airman, Ronald Maddison. He died after liquid nerve gas was dripped on to his arm by Porton scientists in an experiment. The original inquest decided that his death was accidental, but this new inquest will examine fresh evidence and decide if the verdict should stand.

But what were the scientists at Porton doing? Years after the experiments ended, did they achieve anything of scientific value? The Guardian has pieced together a comprehensive and surprising picture of the nerve gas experiments, drawn from reports of the tests uncovered at the Public Record Office and new documents obtained under the "open government" code.
From a purely scientific point of view, they produced a huge amount of data about the effects of nerve gas on the human body. This data in turn has enabled Porton to develop some of the most sophisticated defences in the world to protect Britain's armed forces from chemical attack. Porton acknowledges that the human experiments have made a "vital contribution" to this protection. The data also helped Britain to develop its own arsenal of nerve gas before such plans were finally shelved in the late 1960s.

From 1945 to 1989, Porton exposed more than 3,400 human "guinea pigs" to nerve gas. It seems probable that Porton has tested more human subjects with nerve gas, for the longest period of time, than any other scientific establishment in the world. Two other nations have admitted testing nerve gas on humans: the American military exposed about 1,100 soldiers between 1945 and 1975, and Canada tested a small number before 1968. Other countries, including France, the old Soviet Union and Iraq, are also likely to have exposed humans to nerve gas, but very little is known about their tests.

The group of chemicals known as nerve gases were first developed as weapons by the Nazis before and during the second world war. German scientists discovered the potency of these organophosphorous compounds which, in tiny quantities, disrupt a key element of the nervous system.

Human muscles contract when a chemical, acetylcholine, is released from the nerve endings. Muscles do not exist in a permanent form of contraction because acetylecholine is destroyed in a split second by an enzyme (acetylcholinesterase), thus allowing the muscle to relax again. Nerve gases inactivate this important enzyme, and since it is prevented from working, the muscle goes into a state of spasm from which it cannot be relaxed. Victims die because the most important muscles in the body - those of the heart and the rib cage, which control the emptying and filling of the lungs - are paralysed. They suffocate swiftly in a horrifying death. The nerve gases are more deadly than any other chemical weapon, but during the second world war, only the Germans had spotted their full potential and produced an arsenal of the munitions. As one Porton official has commented, the British and their allies were "caught with our pants down".
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As the Third Reich was collapsing in April 1945, the British discovered stocks of the gas in Germany. Within two weeks, Porton had tested the new gas on batches of human subjects, even though they did not know what the unknown compound was or how it harmed the body. The discovery of the new weapons instantly transformed Porton, as all its previous work on other chemicals, such as mustard gas, was downgraded. Porton scientists quickly had to find out how nerve gases attacked the human body.

One of the early tests established just how little one of the nerve gases, sarin, was needed to trigger a reaction in humans. Fifty-six men were sent into gas chambers and exposed to "low concentrations" of gas. The scientists watching recorded that after 20 minutes, the men started to suffer miosis (constriction of the pupil), one of the first symptoms of nerve gas poisoning. Their vision was blurred and darkened, in some cases for up to five days.

Fourteen men were exposed to repeated doses of sarin, some when they were still experiencing the effects of the previous poisoning. Porton scientists observed: "Repeated exposures produced, after the third or fourth occasion, an aggravation of effects ..." By 1950, Porton had begun to test "considerable higher doses" of sarin on 133 men, and catalogued the severity of symptoms, such as runny noses, headaches, vomiting and eye pain. Within two years, Porton had moved on to look at other aspects. In one study, in 1952, it wanted to see how sarin would impair the mental performance and intellectual ability of humans.

Twenty airmen were exposed to sarin and then measured to see how they performed in intelligence and aptitude tests. From this experiment, Porton inferred that after exposure, the men's visual co-ordination was worse, but their reasoning and intellectual capability had not deteriorated. Another 12 men were exposed to stronger doses of sarin - Porton found that the men appeared "behaviourally much less disturbed than the increased concentration (of sarin) would lead one to expect".

Maddison died during what is probably Porton's most controversial experiment. It will be at the heart of the inquest over the coming weeks. He was one of 396 men who took part in a large experiment whose aim was to "determine the dosage of [three nerve gases] which when applied to the clothed or bare skin of men would cause incapacitation or death".
The scientists were aiming to expose the men to sub-lethal quantities of the nerve gases and then measure how much each of the quantities was reducing the amount of cholinesterase enzymes in the body. They were trying to establish a ratio between the two figures and then extrapolate them to arrive at the lethal dose for humans. But they discovered that this theory was flawed, as there is no direct correlation.

After Maddison's death, Porton was limited in the amount of nerve gas it could test on humans, but the trials continued.

About 300 soldiers in the mid-1950s were used to see how well they could conduct military operations after they had been attacked with nerve gas. They were gassed with relatively low levels and then sent on a mock exercise. The men performed well in daylight, but less so at night. The biggest hindrance was that they could not see very well, but the scientists believed that a "determined infantryman" could still fight on after being exposed to low amounts of nerve gas.

They speculated that during the day, "a unit of intact morale" could cope, but at night, the men would have been vulnerable because they would have been prone to panic, especially since their sight was being hampered.

The psychological effects of nerve gas were a continuing focus of experiments in the 1950s. In one set of trials, the men underwent a series of intelligence and aptitude tests after being gassed. Porton found that the men were distinctly unhappy and depressed afterwards, emotions that were combined with a "feeling of reduced mental alertness and a tendency to social withdrawal". In the late 1950s, Porton studied the effect of nerve gas on particular parts of the body. One study concluded that nerve gas did not impair hearing; this might have been a problem if troops could not, for instance, hear instructions or orders in the heat of the battle after a gas attack. Another looked at whether nerve gas hindered the circulation of blood through the veins in the leg; it didn't. Another examined the impact of nerve gas on the heart, as the scientists wanted to see if particular muscles between the ribs were responsible for one of the usual nerve gas symptoms - a "tightness in the chest".
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In the later years of the programme, Porton seems to have focused on assessing the effects of nerve gas on the eyes, a crucial question because, for instance, pilots faced with reading complicated rows of instruments could be put out of action with a slightest amount of exposure to the gas. The nerve gas programme was substantial at Porton because human testing has been an integral part of the establishment since it was founded. During the past 80 years, some 25,000 humans have been subjected to Porton's experiments, many in trials with other chemical weapons such as mustard gas and tear gas. Others were used simply to test defensive equipment without being exposed to chemicals. Today, Porton is devoted totally to devising defensive measures against gas attacks. But the conduct and ethical standards of tests in the past will be under unprecedented scrutiny in the inquest over the coming weeks.
Porton Down links
· www.portonveterans.8m.com Porton Down veterans support group
· Medical Research Council project
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·Chemical and Biological Defence at Porton Down 1916-2000, G B Carter, Stationery Office, £16.99
·Rob Evans is the author of Gassed: British chemical warfare experiments on humans at Porton Down (House of Stratus, 2000, £20)
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How the British Government subjected thousands of people to chemical and biological warfare trials during Cold War | The Independent

During the Cold War, the British Government used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought, according to new historical research. In more than 750 secret operations, hundreds of thousands of ordinary Britons were subjected to ‘mock’ biological and chemical warfare attacks launched from aircraft, ships and road vehicles.

Up until now historians had thought that such operations had been much less extensive. The new research, carried out by Ulf Schmidt, Professor of Modern History at the University of Kent, has revealed that British military aircraft dropped thousands of kilos of a chemical of ‘largely unknown toxic potential’ on British civilian populations in and around Salisbury in Wiltshire, Cardington in Bedfordshire and Norwich in Norfolk.

Substantial quantities were also dispersed across parts of the English Channel and the North Sea. It’s not known the extent to which coastal towns in England and France were affected.
The research reveals, for the first time, that around 4600 kilos of the chemical, zinc cadmium sulphide (now thought to be potentially carcinogenic, on account of its cadmium content) were dispersed from ships, aircraft and moving lorries between 1953 and 1964.

Professor Schmidt’s investigation – published on 9 July as a book, Secret Science – has revealed that commuters on the London underground were also used as guinea pigs on a substantially larger scale than previously thought. The new research has discovered that a hitherto unknown biological warfare field trial was carried out in the capital’s tube system in May 1964. The secret operation – carried out by scientists from the government’s chemical and biological warfare research centre at Porton Down, Wiltshire - involved the release of large quantities of bacteria called Bacillus globigii. The scientists were keen to discover whether ‘long distance travel of aerosols’ in the tube network ‘was due to transportation within trains’ or through the tube’s air ventilation systems.

At the time, the government thought that Bacillus globigii bacteria were harmless – but they are today regarded as a cause of food poisoning, eye infections, and even septicaemia. It is not known whether the authorities attempted to properly test the bacterium before releasing it into the tube system. An earlier series of tube field trials, in July 1963, has been known to historians for many years. However, the new research has now revealed that some of the British scientists involved had grave misgivings about the field trials that had been carried out. Indeed some had long felt that it was not politically advisable to conduct large-scale trials in Britain with live bacterial agents.


One particular test – involving live plague bacteria – was carried out off the west coast of Scotland in 1952. It’s long been known that a fishing vessel inadvertently passed through the cloud of bacteria and that the authorities were very worried that the fishermen might contract the disease. The plague bacteria field trials, though at sea, took place only a few miles from the Isle of Lewis which had a population of several thousand. The government scientists, carrying out the trials, banked on the fact that the prevailing wind normally blew away from the coast. If, however, the wind had changed direction, thousands of Hebrideans would have been at risk from plague infection, says Professor Schmidt.



Following the fishing vessel incident, the scientists were eager to carry out any further potentially very hazardous field trials outside the UK. Prime Minister Churchill therefore approved a plan to carry out tests in a British overseas territory, the Bahamas. New research shows that the government scientists took the view that the Bahamas was the best place “on the surface of the globe” to carry out tests “without restrictions”. In 1954, the British government sent Cold War biological warfare scientists to an area of sea near an uninhabited island in the Bahamas to release clouds of dangerous Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis viruses. These organisms were capable of causing, in humans, high fever, long term fatigue, headaches and occasionally death. The new research reveals, for the first time, that in another British imperial possession, Nigeria, a location was found for chemical warfare field trials. In an area called Obanaghoro in southern Nigeria, four British Cold War scientific missions spent a total of around 15 months dispersing, and assessing the effects of, large quantities of experimental nerve gas weapons. The advantage of the location was that it permitted field trials to be carried out in a tropical environment – and, of course, that it was not in Britain or Australia.
The extent that local people (including locally employed field trial personnel) were affected by the nerve agents is not known.

Historians have so far been unable to find out who did the particularly hazardous work of ‘hand-charging’ the nerve agent artillery shells, mortar bombs and aircraft cluster bombs. Likewise they have not been able to discover the extent to which local Nigerian soils were contaminated or whether nearby villages and schools were affected by any of the toxic clouds that would have been blown across the countryside. “The government records I’ve been looking at are conspicuously silent on all this,” said Ulf Schmidt. “Officials had clearly good reasons as to why the kind of experiments undertaken in Nigeria were strictly prohibited on the British mainland, which is why the files and photographic records surrounding Britain’s post-war nerve agent testing in Africa were regarded as particularly sensitive,” he said.

Professor Schmidt’s research has also revealed the vast scale of Cold War chemical warfare tests carried out on ‘volunteer’ British service personnel here in the UK – involving numbers of people much greater than previously thought. His investigation now suggests that up to 30,000 secret chemical warfare substance experiments were carried out, mainly at Porton Down, on more than 14,000 British soldiers between 1945 and 1989. He believes that, in most cases, the servicemen were not given sufficient information to allow them to give properly informed consent.

Ulf Schmidt’s book, Secret Science, is published today on 9 July, by Oxford University Press.
Spreading diseases: ‘Harmless’ proxies




Zinc Cadmium Sulfide ultra-fine particles
. This inorganic compound was used by Cold War scientists in the UK and the US as a supposedly harmless proxy to simulate the behaviour, in the lower atmosphere and on the ground, of biological warfare substances. However it is still not known whether particles of ZCS that may have become embedded in people’s lungs for decades could ultimately cause disease.Bacillus globigii. This bacterium was used as a supposedly harmless proxy to simulate the behaviour, in terms of dispersal and penetration, of biological warfare aerosols. Although not considered harmful when it was used in Cold War field trials, it is now known to be capable of causing fevers, food poisoning (occasionally resulting in death), peritonitis and septicaemia .

Pasteurella pestis (now known as Yersina pestis). Clouds of this highly infections bacterium were dispersed only over areas of sea – but nevertheless very near to Lewis, a Scottish Island with thousands of inhabitants. In order not to infect the islands, it appears that the scientists relied entirely on the wind not changing direction and speed. This bacterium is the one that has caused plague epidemics worldwide in the past (including those of the medieval world’s Black Death).

Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis. Clouds of this virus were dispersed over an area of sea close to an uninhabited island in the Bahamas. The virus debilitates or kills horses and donkeys and can also cause severe fever and even death in humans. Mosquitos spread the virus further by biting equines.

G-series nerve agents. Clouds of this chemical warfare weapon were dispersed during field trials in a small part of southern Nigeria, some miles north of the town of Warri. G-series nerve agents were first developed by the Nazis before and during World War Two. The group includes substances like sarin and attacks the human nervous system, causing loss of bodily function and normally death. Survivors are likely to suffer long-term neurological damage and psychiatric disorders.
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In Britain, the Common Cold Unit (CCU), also known as the Common Cold Research Unit (CCRU), was set up by the civilian Medical Research Council (MRC) in 1946 on the site of a former military hospital, the Harvard Hospital, at Harnham Down near Salisbury in Wiltshire. Its aim was to undertake laboratory and epidemiological research on the common cold, with a view to reducing its human and economic costs; common colds account for a third of all acute respiratory infections and the economic costs are substantial in terms of days off work.
Thirty volunteers were required every fortnight during trial periods. The unit advertised in newspapers and magazines for volunteers, who were paid a small amount. A stay at the unit was presented in these advertisements as an unusual holiday opportunity. The volunteers were infected with preparations of cold viruses and typically stayed for ten days. They were housed in small groups of two or three, with each group strictly isolated from the others during the course of the stay. Volunteers were allowed to go out for walks in the countryside south of Salisbury, but residential areas were out of bounds.
Human coronaviruses, which are responsible for about 10% of common colds, were first isolated from volunteers at the unit in 1965. The CCU continually recruited volunteers for research into the common cold until its closure in 1989.


The CCU was sometimes confused with the Microbiological Research Establishment at nearby Porton Down, with which it occasionally collaborated but was not officially connected.
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I was based at Marham in the late sixties and S.R.O.s were always advertising for volunteers for 'flu' trials with enhanced pay deals and extra leave. I would not be shocked at anything any more, especially where Porton Down is concerned. I drove past Porton
on Friday afternoon and the road sign to the unit seemed a bit deceitful.
Porton Down,
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Mmmm........ I do remember the requests for volunteers in the sixties!

Luckily the rumours of sinister going’s on put me off
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I can remember the call for volunteers in the 1950s, allegedly to check the effects of various remedies to the common cold. Even with my limited knowledge of RAF life at that time I automatically let that pass me by. Rumours heard later proved, to my satisfaction, that it had been the correct decision.
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Never volunteer?
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Originally Posted by 5aday
I drove past Porton
on Friday afternoon and the road sign to the unit seemed a bit deceitful.
Porton Down,
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You didn't look carefully enough as you drove by. The signs at Porton Down are for both DSTL (the defence bit) and Public Heath England. Each organisation's signs are as conspicuous as the other's.

There's no comedy, and both elements of Porton Down will be very serious at the moment, just down the road in the centre of Salisbury.
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Hoodie,
Thank you for your correction. It all seemed like one big sign to me.
No matter though, and furthermore, I think I will steer clear of Wiltshire in general.
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Originally Posted by mikemmb
Mmmm........ I do remember the requests for volunteers in the sixties!

Luckily the rumours of sinister going’s on put me off
These requests were still appearing in SROs in the 70s. I was ticked off for telling a young airman that he would be have to be mad to volunteer for such tests.
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To expand Top West 50's post:

Keep your powder dry, your bowels open and NEVER volunteer!
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About ten years back I had a courier contract to take 'devices' to Porton. I was not permitted to carry any other items simultaneously and had to be security vetted. I recall there were two gates to pass through, the first being the main entrance and the second was into the secure area of the establishment.

I had a super GPS gizmo that was used for getting a signature from the white coated recipient of each delivery. The sort of device that is now commonplace with courier/parcels deliveries.

So, there I am handing over the 'device' to a rather dishy lass in white coat and I ask her to sign on the gizmo. She asks me what it is and I explain the clever kit to her. "Ooh, that's spooky" she says. I look at my surroundings and laugh at the irony of her statement before exiting location PDQ.

No obvious side effects so far
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These requests were still appearing in SROs in the 70s. I was ticked off for telling a young airman that he would be have to be mad to volunteer for such tests.

Yes, I remember reading them and then the location and thinking, yeah right.
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In Jan. 1961, I, along with 150 others, turned up at Locking for apprentice training. On the second day, we were marched to sick quarters for our jabs. In one of the wards some trestle tables had been set up in two rows, end to end with a row of benches between them. The idea was that you sat astride the benches and shuffled down between the tables whilst being jabbed in either arm by the SSQ staff. At the end of the rows was a separate table, manned by civvies, who gave us all an additional jab. All the RAF mannned tables told you what you were getting and it appeared on our jab sheets. Nobody mentioned what the last jab was for and no mention on the jab sheet. Still talked about at reunions.
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Clearly the Elixir of Eternal Youth since you've managed another 57 years..................
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Clearly the Elixir of Eternal Youth since you've managed another 57 years..................
Doesn't look too good from the inside on occasions.
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Anybody know why servicemen were "volunteered" for these experiments and not, for example, life prisoners?
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Anybody know why servicemen were "volunteered" for these experiments and not, for example, life prisoners?
The servicemen of the day, included a vast proportion of National Servicemen.

These same NS guys, considered their service as being close to a prison sentence. Their pay was also so miserly that the 3/- or so a day that was on offer was a great inducement.
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In Jan. 1961, I, along with 150 others, turned up at Locking for apprentice training. On the second day, we were marched to sick quarters for our jabs. In one of the wards some trestle tables had been set up in two rows, end to end with a row of benches between them. The idea was that you sat astride the benches and shuffled down between the tables whilst being jabbed in either arm by the SSQ staff. At the end of the rows was a separate table, manned by civvies, who gave us all an additional jab. All the RAF mannned tables told you what you were getting and it appeared on our jab sheets. Nobody mentioned what the last jab was for and no mention on the jab sheet. Still talked about at reunions.
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