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Scared of Flying?

Old 14th Feb 2018, 11:43
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Dreams can only last milliseconds. I discovered this while I was a student on Piston Provosts at Ternhill in 1956. While enjoying a lie-in on a sunny Sunday morning I dreamed I was in a spin and the controls were not reacting as the Provost descended rapidly out of control. A sharp pain shot through my head when it hit the ground before I woke up to find a half squashed wasp on the pillow and a painful sting on the back of my neck. My brain must have concocted a story between being stung by the wasp and waking up.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 13:10
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I'm another with the "trapped under wires" thing. In the Japanese animated film "Porco Rosso", there's a scene where the pig hero is taking off in a floatplane from a canal, and it has all the wires and bridges one could wish....or not(!)
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 13:23
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As I seem to have started this "dream" hare running, should say that my own recurrent dream in my flying days was of flying up a narrow valley below cloud which was covering the ridges on both sides, no room to turn round, don't know what's ahead - and the valley's closing in ! ..... then I wake up.

Flying days ended, dream ended.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 16:11
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I am not a 'real' pilot (150hr PPL but a long time ago ) like some of the blokes/gals above but can relate too and enlightening reading (and admire peoples honesty, even if support within the armed forces seem hit and miss?). I thought I was the only one who had these dreams, had all of them (especially the wire one,LL,wires above me, and even when I do climb even more bloody wires!!!, or being in a light aircraft and forgetting how to fly, or in the RHS of a commercial, going through the checks etc and panicking cos i ain't a clue what I am doing but at same time blagging it (never take off though, thank good!) Oh, and flying an aircraft and the AH is all over the show and can't control the aircraft but not quite crashing....). Probably says a lot about my life!
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post

Flying days ended, dream ended.
Oddly, I don't recall having the wires dream until after I finished flying...
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 20:08
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Are wires the biggest threat and within this theme recurring nightmare to modern low level aviation? Genuine interest.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 20:21
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There isn't half of a flash-bang when you run into a set.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
There isn't half of a flash-bang when you run into a set.
Having not been through a set I wouldn’t know. Saw a Puma have a little near miss about 5 years ago but the weather was proper shitters!
Beside that wires seem to be a concern and rightly so given what risk they present.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 21:25
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Shawbury, early 90s. I'm about to embark on a low level navex with my stude, who had arranged for his parents and girlfriend to be at one of his turning points. We brief and clamber into the mighty Wessex. Bloggs is doing really well as we approach the appointed TP. Spies his nearest and dearest, briefs next leg and then gets a bit of target fixation. He fails to spot the 250' wires just beyond the TP and I let him plough on until avoiding action is required. I take control, rack on 60 deg AOB and retrace our steps. Bloggs is somewhat confused until we turn back onto track and he sees the wires. Blood drains from his face and I give him control once more. Sortie concludes, I debrief him without even mentioning the incident, give him a B for a very good navex and we part.

Fast forward 15 years and I am squadron duty auth at a secret Hampshire SH base when the phone rings. I announce myself to unknown caller. Caller is silent for a moment and then asks "Not Flt Lt Kintyred who instructed at Shawbury 15 years ago?" I confirm that I am the same and he says, "It's Flt Lt Bloggs.....and I still have nightmares about wires."

PS. A well-deserved MiD must go to my very brave crewman who, trusting that I was going to use the situation to make a point, didn't alert Bloggs to our impending demise.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 21:55
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Originally Posted by Misformonkey View Post
Are wires the biggest threat and within this theme recurring nightmare to modern low level aviation? Genuine interest.
Not to FW. FJ Mil fliers would probably rate the ground as a peacetime main LL risk and on Ops, probably hostile air defences. Wires might be more % risk to Rotary in peacetime.

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Old 14th Feb 2018, 21:58
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30 years of flying helicopters ranging from Sea Kings, through Twin Squirrels, Jet Rangers and down to the R22 and I never did a flight where I didn't have a nervous stomach before take off requiring a prudent trip or maybe 2 to the loo!!

If I'd bought shares in Andrex 3 decades ago I could have retired from flying much earlier.

Also whilst I never dream about wires I still occasionally have one about going IMC without the relevant instruments or recent skill level to come out the right way up. Was fully instrument rated in the Sea King but the dream always involves an R22 and always features a low inertia head somewhere in it.

I've a degree in psychology but I'm if I can work it out.

Really nice to wake up though and find I wasn't airborne in the first place.

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Old 14th Feb 2018, 22:08
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There isn't half of a flash-bang when you run into a set.
Agreed. Although I was happily on the ground watching the Thorpe T18 doing its impression of a submarine approach.

Equally impressive was the way its momentum had it careering wildly down the runway sans canopy and with the vertical stabilizer knocked back through 90 degrees. One of the wires hadn't broken, ran up the top of the cowling and hooked the canopy locking handle and then the top of the fin in quick succession.

Of course, blacking out the neighbours' power gave them just another argument for trying to close down the airstrip.

I'm just a low hour PPL with small packets of flying spread over 45 years. I've had the wires dream during my lengthy non-flying periods but they seem to go away when I can scratch the itch.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 22:26
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The F4 'mate' who took out the only telephone wire between Fox Bay and Port Howard in the Falklands. He RTB'ed with 10' of it wrapped around the cockpit windscreen external combing.

When 'Smoky' (Chinook fame) went to investigate, he discovered the the telephone wire was held up on 15' sticks. The mathematics doesn't work out. But...............
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 23:01
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That is uncanny.
Not military - but I have the same recurring dream mentioned here.
Taking off from a street, or flying down a street criss-crossed by wires.
Have to try and pick the gap to climb through, but don't have the climb performance to do it.
Wake up just as the wire strike happens...
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 23:07
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Early 90's, I blagged a jump seat on the Sultans airline flying into HKG from a Det in Bandar, sat immediately behind (fleet) Capt. Popped out of low cloud into lots of lower cloud over the harbour. FO calls we have lost the IGS, Capt looks out to his left and says he has 'the ground'. We are now feet dry descending towards the checkerboard and that mountain beyond. Two more FO calls re the lack of IGS, Capt says the same, I stare at FO and really start shaking my head (naughty?), HKG has disappeared and we are still going downwards. FO leans toward Capt, slams his hand down above the auto-pilot and shouts (and he did shout!) 'Captain,you will go-around now!'. TOGA,and the two RB's start to whine again and up we go somewhere over Kowloon. Min chatter all the way around the block, better Wx, argument starts as soon as we are off the runway, drift past our holding point. An interesting 30 mins or so.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 00:34
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Re: post # 136 from rolandpull.
Hearing that story scares the crap outta me....and it isn't the first time such an episode happens when pilots stretch the limits.

Lion Air also went below limits 5 years ago in Bali (where I now live) on a brand new B737. They were lucky and splashed into the water short of the runway..... fortunately everyone survived.

As an often-passenger flying on budget airlines in South Asia I'm now more scared than when getting shot at in a Hastings doing supply drops to Gurkhas near Kuching... during Confrontation.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 00:49
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tartare , my dream is much the same as yours, flying down a street with numerous wires overhead and looking for a gap to climb up through. Never find a gap, but never crash either before dream ends. Nice to know we're not all crazy. Seem to remember either another thread on the subject in the forum, or perhaps a paper written.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 08:28
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I can't recall any dreams about flying under wires - I occasionally get that dream that ends with a sudden falling through the sky feeling, as well as the one about running around in public in yer shreddies or less (and I hope it WAS a dream!) which I believe is related to a feeling of insecurity - as a soon to be ex-employee of Carillion, amazed I haven't had that one in the last three or four weeks!
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:29
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Wires depends the type of flying

Had three friends and a colleague hit wires.
First was a DC9 check pilot whose militia job was a chopper instructor..he and his pupil died. The second was a partner in a competition glider who woke up in hospital with some burns after a field landing.
Third was a paraglider pilot whom I suggested to try the bigger picture whicb he excelled at until he strapped a Gopro to his motorglider wing tip and removed the elevator trying to get a better shot.RIP
Number four was a top airline base trainer who got tangled into a thick wire..paraglided slid along and then off it and continued flying.
Done rather a lot of low flying for a civi..much of it in the alps and did find myself looking up at one pylon ..just at the right moment the sun reflected off a cable and I was able to fly out from the ridge and over it. Turned up at Vinon sur Verdon the week when two pilots had died..one touched the mountain face the second an avalanche protection cable where they send the charge down the wire and remotely trigger it.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 21:08
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Re Taxydual's dit about the Tonka in the Falklands: we sadly lost a Puma within days of arriving in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for the monitoring of the 'ceasefire' and 'elections' (yeah, right... sigh). Despite the arrival brief from a member of the RhAF about the primary hazard in such a wide-open country being from wirestrike (they'd lost 3 a/c in the preceding year due to this reason), the crew were brought down while flying at high speed along a road. The wires they hit were between 20-30 ft above ground at the point of contact; they hit them with their tail (ie the wires had gone over the main rotor). What a waste.

Referring back to previous posts, I used to have the ones about trees too. Just like the wire-related dreams stopping after I started my current role, the tree-related instances stopped during my 3-year stint in Borneo where we would get right down into and under the canopy. One major HLS by a research station required letting down into a gap 3-400m from the site and flying up the river under the canopy to get in.
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