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BBC coverage of RAF 100 years

Old 28th Mar 2018, 08:58
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For someone with no relevant experience, I thought she was remarkably coherent. The section of the programme was a good news piece for the RAF.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:05
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If one flicks back though the historical sections "flight" to an lengthy write-up in 1957, on the FEAF, the journalist describes being flown into Fort Langkap, a jungle strip, in a single pin. My dad, who was then flt cmdr of 267 Squadron in KL, was the pilot.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarch...fort%20langkap

Before they arrived at the fort my dad prepared (or rather tried to prepare) him for it, by telling him that on approach he would cut the power and they float down and then he would power-up just above the strip.

40 years later my dad was able to recall the "Oh my God" expletives from the journalist as it floated down.

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:07
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
Why put someone with a total lack of aviation competence or knowledge in the back of a fast jet?
Because that's 99.9% of the audience?
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
I never had Martha Carnie down as a 'screaming girl' but that is just what she came across as this morning.!
Sarah Montague?
Yes, unfortunately very few reporters are capable of putting up a good performance in a FJ. Overall, her reporting was good I thought, although the description of Tornado GR1 being in it's operational element at 250' day VFR by Wg Cdr Heeps was lightweight. How about, Day/Night IMC 200', VFR 100' Strike/Attack.
As for AM Atha, he was shaky on the Space/Russia/Cyber stuff. What is wrong with clearly describing GPS jamming? It is widely understood, and that is why it is done! Methinks he was trying hard not to let some Int slip out, while making Joe public worried about WW3.

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:17
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For those that can replay the BBC Radio 4 Today from about 8.10am there follows 18 minutes about the Tornado and then a detailed discussion with Air Marshall Atha about the projected role of the RAF in space, under the water, the P-8 Poseidon and F-35 Lightning.
There was also OC 9 Sqn at 6.10am and Marham's Stn Cdr at 7.15am, both with clips of the Tornado sortie beforehand. Nice to hear the rivalry with 617 Sqn is still alive, an entertaining end to my drive to work. Apparently C2 was on at about 7.30 as well but I missed that.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:38
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Yes there was discussion about the F-35 later with one of the test pilots (I think), it was explained that the F-35 needed a bomb bay -- a novelty these days, because the bombs are not "stealth"
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
I never had Martha Carnie down as a 'screaming girl' but that is just what she came across as this morning. One of the worst bits of PR (not to mention reporting!) that I have heard for ages. Why put someone with a total lack of aviation competence or knowledge in the back of a fast jet? First time I have known anyone scared by an airbrake.

Surely the RAF and BBC can make a better hash of a very important milestone.

GRRR!
Poor old BBC, gets hammered if it doesn't cover the RAF and gets hammered when it does. What would be the point of putting a seasoned aviator in the back? Would likely be the dullest 20 minutes of TV/radio I ever saw or heard.

As an aside, re-read your book the other day Mogwi - now that was not a dull experience...!

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 10:22
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Damned if you do...

My God, you lot are a tough crowd. I just watched the video and what the hell was wrong with it?

What I saw was a well spoken journalist who managed two hours in the back of a Tonka and still had a smile on her face. Most pax feel ropey far quicker than that and wouldnít be able to talk as well as she did.

Iíd say Heepsy did a great job of his sound bites as well.

Iím not really sure what else you could expect from a 2.5 minute news clip.

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
My God, you lot are a tough crowd.

I’m not really sure what else you could expect from a 2.5 minute news clip.

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You don't get it Bob- it wasn't Raymond Baxter, and for some, anything less is treasonable!

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 11:37
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I think the Jesus Mary comment should have been cut, out of respect to others. But what I found strange is a reputable BBC reporter interviewing a pilot while flying at low level at 250ft, there is nothing wrong will patter, but perhaps SM should have asked isn't very distracting having a conversation at low level in the same way as mobiles for car drivers. So much for a sterile environment Hopefully in the light of recent events the front seat had command over the rear seat. If SM didn.t throw up after two hous in a fast jet, she did better than most.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 11:44
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The SM backseat ride started off annoying me but by the end I thought it was good PR and good journalism.

The RAF has played this Centenary well. Bravo. Here’s to the next 100 years.


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Old 28th Mar 2018, 11:55
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If OC 9 Sqn can fly a Tornado and put up with the constant whining of a navigator Iím sure he can cope with the questions of a journalist.

That is banter by the way before anyone gets too upset.

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PS. The soundtrack is an overlay by the way. Who knows when she asked the questions? Could have been at ML.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 12:12
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I think the Jesus Mary comment should have been cut, out of respect to others.
More of a prayer than a blasphemy, methinks!

Good for them for doing it; mind you, an RAF officer referring to the F-35 as an airplane...? I can hear a certain Douglas Bader snorting profanely...
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Good for them for doing it; mind you, an RAF officer referring to the F-35 as an airplane...? I can hear a certain Douglas Bader snorting profanely...[/QUOTE]

He only referred to the F-35 momentarily
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 13:01
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I'm curious as to what the camera was that got all that 360 footage.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post

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PS. The soundtrack is an overlay by the way. Who knows when she asked the questions? Could have been at ML.
If you watch the 360 video, you can hear the sound in sync with the flying.
Pity the noise cancellation seems to remove just about all background apart from some electronic breakthrough.

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 15:22
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the description of Tornado GR1 being in it's operational element at 250' day VFR by Wg Cdr Heeps was lightweight. How about, Day/Night IMC 200', VFR 100' Strike/Attack.
As with the criticism of Sunday nightís TV show, this is missing the point. The fact that about 15 minutes of Wg Cdr Heepsís material made it to air on the Today programme means that it was pitched correctly for the audience. There were some nuggets in there which may stick in the mind of the Ďopinion-formingí classes simply for having been broadcast, and if nothing else itís exposure for the RAF among urbanites who see nothing of it. If it he had given dry technical stuff it would mostly have been binned.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 16:11
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If it he had given dry technical stuff it would mostly have been binned.
This is what I wrote: "Overall, her reporting was good I thought, although the description of Tornado GR1 being in it's operational element at 250' day VFR by Wg Cdr Heeps was lightweight. How about, Day/Night IMC 200', VFR 100' Strike/Attack."

IMO, he downplayed the Tornado capability and then, went on to point out that OLF might well be required by stealthy aircraft. Not a matter of being "dry", a gentle 250' navex should have been described as such.

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Old 28th Mar 2018, 16:40
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Just listened to the piece and I thought she did very well. I had a little shock when they mentioned that the Tornado will be out of service within a year. When I left the RAF in 1977 there were still two years before the aircraft (which was still called the MRCA) was to enter RAF service, so in my mind it is still a "new" aircraft. Just another function of getting old I suppose
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 17:43
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I remember when the Tornado had just entered service there were four or maybe six on the western ramp at Biggin Hill in connection with a fly past, presumably over London - first I'd seen other than development aircraft at Farnborough... Must have been summer 1980?

Less than 40 year's service life seems quite short compared with some other types!
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