The Labour Party

[anchorhold]

If anyone out there like me in dissapointed to say the least with presennt conservative government in terms of leadership, the NHS, student loans, awarding of goverment contracts and defence cuts, like me you might be thinking of joining the Labour party.

To my surprise, and I do not know why, for people in the armed forces and ex armed forces it is a mere £3.00 per year. A bargain.

[Tankertrashnav]

For an extra quid they will throw in spelling lessons

[ExRAFRadar]

Did you think this was Jetblast?

[[email protected]]

And if you really believe all that Corbyn promises then I have a nice bridge you might like to buy.

Yes, the Conservatives are doing a pretty crap job but put Labour in power and you really will have something to complain about.

[NutLoose]

Anchorhold,

To be polite, I would rather fry my testicles on a hotplate than join the Labour party with the likes of Abbot, Corbyn and the rest of his cronies, you think the Conservatives are bad, you haven't seen anything compared to the farce we would have if they ever got into power.

£3 to the Labour party, you would be better off spending that £3 on bringing clean water to some African, at least it wouldn't be full of the sh*t you would get with Labour in power..


Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

[cokecan]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

...Yes, the Conservatives are doing a pretty crap job but put Labour in power and you really will have something to complain about.

i'm afraid that a great many people have a great deal to complain about already - if your salary, despite going to university, working hard, and not buying Audi's on PCP's - buys only 75% of what your salary bought a decade ago and you can see that your children stand almost no chance of being able to buy a house until they're in their 50's and they get your inheritance, then the economy is already broken. telling such people - and the above includes pretty much everyone i was at university with or served with - that Corbyn will 'break the economy' will cause them to bat not one eyelid.

shades, i fear, of the remain campaign (for which i voted): telling people they risk things they don't have doesn't work.

[NutLoose]

Trouble is todays generations do not remember the bad old days of Labour.. The type of labour Corbyn is trying to foist upon the country... and it was dire, the day that the Unions ever get a foothold into strangling the country again will be a sad day for us all. sigh.... three day weeks, black outs and rubbish stacked in the streets...

[blimey]

It's a interesting exercise and should be a wake-up call. You'll see how driven they are on social media, and how dogmatic they're becoming. Attlee must be spinning in his grave.

Buy some candles, you may need them.

[ImageGear]

The prospect of Putin and other Marx/Trot adherents enjoying guest appearances in the HOC together with a selection of tin pot dictators buying up more of my England fills me with dread. If you think corruption is rife now, wait until some of these other demagogues get involved.

Anyone with a military background should have seriously considered their options because I am sure there won't be any after the coup. Momentum has all the characteristics of a political will enforcer. Think GPU/Stasi.

One Labour MP, speaking anonymously, criticised the loyalty deal with Momentum, for would be MP's.

It reflects a Stalinist approach to politics that Momentum would come up with such a contract for candidates. It has worrying implications for our democracy that there could be MPs in parliament who have signed away their right to independent judgement

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[Chinny Crewman]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

Trouble is todays generations do not remember the bad old days of Labour.

But they are living through the current Conservative chaos and experience it every day. From a military perspective we’ve had 7 years of cuts and there are currently 2 threads on here about defence expenditure and infrastructure management by Carillion. The whole scaremongering doesn’t wash. It may be a lot worse under Labour but as previously mentioned many think it can’t get any worse.
Incidentally power cuts and the 3 day week were during the 1973 Conservative government although most people accept the role Unions played.

[Saintsman]

The conservatives are a lessor of two evils in some respects, though they have been hindered by the massive debts they inherited. When Labour get in next time (and I think the youth will let them) the Conservatives will still get the flak when they are re-elected once the youth wise up, because they will still be shackled with even greater debts.

However as was mentioned earlier, this is a subject for Jet Blast.

[Cornish Jack]

"It has worrying implications for our democracy that there could be MPs in parliament who have signed away their right to independent judgement"

Oh no!! How could that be??? If that were true, we could end up with the Great Leader endorsing and fighting for a viewpoint which she voted against in the Referendum!!! Shirley not!!
The REAL problem is that we are only, realistically, offered a choice between the present bunch of self-seeking, noses-in-the-trough brigade and their equally awful counterparts. What hope is there, if the choice is between the 'Bullingdon Buffoon' and his mates and the 'dyed-in-the-wool' "kill the posh people" Club.
Politics at its ultimate grubbiest!!

[Cazalet33]

if you really believe all that Corbyn promises then I have a nice bridge you might like to buy.

I believe all Tory promises.

Can I buy your bridge please?

[Blacksheep]

I'm sorry to say it, but a Corbyn government in 2022 or earlier is now inevitable. After that, once the younger generations realise what a mistake they have made it will be too late. UK is on a descent to second-world status (we are already well on the way) and I feel so sad for my grand-children who will have to endure it. I'm too old now to worry about it, the socialists cannot do me any more harm than they already have since my childhood and I'll be 80 by the end of Corbyn's first term. (Indeed, I may outlive him). The Secretary General of the TUC was on Breakfast this morning to tell us how the government will need to pick up the bill for the Carillion collapse and spend more on this and that, blissfully ignoring the point made to him that a government doesn't have any money of its own.

[Chinny Crewman]

Originally Posted by Blacksheep

...blissfully ignoring the point made to him that a government doesn't have any money of its own.

As any Labour activist will point out they can find it when they need to. £1B to the DUP, £2.3B to raise the student loan repayment threshold. The wider point is government will end up paying for the public services so when the going is good it’s dividends and bonuses all round but when it goes belly up the tax payer covers the cost.

[beardy]

Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party? Their weak point is their democracy and that wont last long. So join now and corrupt it from within, take lessons from Momentum.

[rolling20]

I was watching a Discovery program or the like on the fall of communism in Europe yesterday. Now don't forget McDonnell is an avowed Marxist, he along with Corbyn would drag us down that route, which I am sure no one really wants to contemplate. What I cannot understand from these 2 ,is that Europe threw off those shackles nearly 30 years ago now and peoples relief was genuine and heartfelt. To see those scenes again brings back the emotions of that time and I will be buggered if I am going to vote for the labour party.

[cokecan]

Originally Posted by beardy

Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party? Their weak point is their democracy and that wont last long. So join now and corrupt it from within, take lessons from Momentum.

i take it you've not had the pleasure of attending Labour Party branch meetings?

being a member, just a member, gets you nowhere. you can vote in leadership elections, but getting your candidate on the ballot paper requires activism and persuasion, it means you needing to have a record of local activism both at election time and within the party at a local level - doing the minutes, booking the rooms, maybe going to conference, doing 'dog **** politics' that means when you stand in front of a room full of other party members and say 'i'm supporting X, and this is why i think you should to..' they'll listen to what you have to say.

the Corbyn/Momentum people can do this because they have enthusiasm, and because they see their enemies within the party are thoroughly disheartened and just can't be arsed.

Labour will win in 2022 (or whenever) because it has lots of people who will knock on doors and say 'vote for us and we'll make your life better'. the tories will lose because they look tired, sleazy, not very competant and because its become abundantly clear that not only to the Tories not have a plan to make 'average' peoples lives better, but they don't really have much inclination to.

i only voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn's foreign and defence policies, and because i thought that without a decent majority Brexit would turn into an even bigger mess than it needed to. given some of the defence cuts that have/will go through on TM's watch, i'm going to be asking myself if Corbyn would really be much worse...

at least my wife will get a pay rise.

[Bob Viking]

My take on it...

Why do we spend so much time worrying about stuff that hasn’t happened yet and that we cannot, individually, effect?

I find my life is immeasurably happier when I ignore all the agenda driven media tripe and just live my life.

I make the most of what I have from day to day and try not to worry about whether I’m better or worse off than last year.

I know we can’t help ourselves from reading everything in the news and getting all hyped up about it but, really, whatever is going to happen will happen anyway and from day to day (unless nuclear war breaks out) your house will keep standing and there will be food on your table at the end of the day.

Slightly rhetorical and I don’t expect to start a new pprune based political movement but just my thoughts.

BV

[NutLoose]

That's it, I'm moving to Bob's....... who's coming?