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Old 14th Sep 2018, 12:08
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EU commissioners are NOT elected.
EU Commissioners are not elected, correct, but they are fully accountable to the EU Parliament which IS democratically elected. Also, every EU member state is represented in the Council of Ministers.

If absolute democracy is the issue, perhaps the royal family that constitutes a branch of our own government should be elected?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 12:52
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
EU Commissioners are not elected, correct, but they are fully accountable to the EU Parliament which IS democratically elected. Also, every EU member state is represented in the Council of Ministers.

If absolute democracy is the issue, perhaps the royal family that constitutes a branch of our own government should be elected?
I have edited my post to make it as clear as possible.
As for accountability, REALLY...melmothtw...

https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...ut-not-for-me/

One year after European Parliament President Antonio Tajani pledged to bring greater transparency to how MEPs are compensated for expenses, the noble process ended with a loud thump on the parliamentary floor.
Last night, the 15 members of the Parliament’s governing body — a group that included Tajani — voted down measures that would have increased oversight of the so-called General Expenditure Allowance, a fund intended to be used by MEPs to pay for offices and other expenses.
The institution’s 751 MEPs receive €4,416 a month on top of their salaries for expenses, as a lump sum, tax free. This adds up to nearly €200 million in taxpayer money per parliamentary term. These funds are intended to be spent for professional not personal reasons, but MEPs are not required to retain any records or disclose how the money is spent.
Tajani and his colleagues voted against making it mandatory for MEPs to keep receipts of their expenditures — something any business, organization or association has to do for tax reasons, if nothing else.


..really melmothtw...REALLY!

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Old 14th Sep 2018, 13:12
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I have edited my post to make it as clear as possible even to the likes of yourself.
I stopped reading there. Out.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 15:52
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this sounds like Jet Blast not an article on the European Army
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 16:13
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
EU Commissioners are not elected, correct, but they are fully accountable to the EU Parliament which IS democratically elected.
Hmmmm. As I recall a fellow by the name of Adolf was appointed and "fully accountable" to an elected body. How did that turn out?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 16:57
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Hmmmm. As I recall a fellow by the name of Adolf was appointed and "fully accountable" to an elected body. How did that turn out?
***sigh***
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 18:50
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2 View Post
melmoth, you seem to have a preoccupation with titles. The various, mainly English, armies that subdued the various Welsh, Scottish, and Irish attempts to resist subjugation may not have been named Union Armies but their effect over the centuries was to cement and ensure the formation of the United Kingdom. If you don't see the parallel with the formation of the European Union Army, I'm afraid that I do.

Edited to add that I would not agree that the EU has a bloody past, though it may well have a bloody future. It is Europe that has the bloody past and the irony of the EU is that its formation was to prevent that past becoming the future. As to me being a member of the EU, you are right of course. Hence the present dilemma the United Kingdom finds itself in...
Is the United Kingdom a good thing on the whole or should we break it?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 20:05
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As I said before, why are we Brits even discussing this?? We're leaving FFS! What are (ex) European allies decide to do via the EU is none of our business now.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 20:10
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Hmmmm. As I recall a fellow by the name of Adolf Donald was appointed and "fully accountable" to an elected body. How did that turn out?
We await with interest...

How can SO many people have been quite SO stupid?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 21:01
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t43562:-
Is the United Kingdom a good thing on the whole or should we break it?
Yes, having gone through a lot of pain the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is now a good thing in my view. However, I am English and other countries within the UK may think differently. That is their right, but so far none have chosen to do so (other than the Irish Republic that caused that new form of the UK). The same is not so for the European Union, as one member has now chosen to leave it. Others may yet follow that lead...
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 21:11
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Originally Posted by friartuck View Post
this sounds like Jet Blast not an article on the European Army

Sup? a few unpalatable facts perhaps. [Oh and I have already apologised earlier to melmothtw for my unnecessarily cutting remarks].
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 21:41
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He has, and no hard feelings.
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 18:38
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2 View Post
t43562:-


Yes, having gone through a lot of pain the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is now a good thing in my view. However, I am English and other countries within the UK may think differently. That is their right, but so far none have chosen to do so (other than the Irish Republic that caused that new form of the UK). The same is not so for the European Union, as one member has now chosen to leave it. Others may yet follow that lead...
Didn't Ireland leave?
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 19:06
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Yes and Pakistan has been in and out like a yo-yo. S Africa left and returned and I think places like Fiji may have also come and gone
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 19:13
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Originally Posted by t43562 View Post
Didn't Ireland leave?
No, merely the 26 Counties.
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 21:04
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Yes and Pakistan has been in and out like a yo-yo. S Africa left and returned and I think places like Fiji may have also come and gone
If you want to include the empire a lot of countries left actually and some not so peacefully. But the result of all that blood and trouble is apparently good and should not change. But anything bigger (anything that English people are not in charge of?) would be bad.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 16:02
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t43562, the Irish Republic did not leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland by definition, let alone "Ireland"!

friartuck, the preceding posts of this thread have been about Unions and their armies, in particular the EU and the UK, and not about the Commonwealth. How that applies you are no doubt about to tell us.

t43562:-
If you want to include the empire a lot of countries left actually and some not so peacefully. But the result of all that blood and trouble is apparently good and should not change. But anything bigger (anything that English people are not in charge of?) would be bad.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 17:24
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sorry

I was responding to a post by t43562 who was quoting a post by you which I took to refer to the Commonwealth /Empire

Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 17:59
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No apology needed (but thanks for the offer ;-)
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 19:59
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I think it is rather laughable that for the majority of its existence NATO has made a huge contribution to peace in Europe, and many European countries have sheltered under the umbrella of the USA and to a lesser degree the UK and France (outside of NATO for a long time) and have not put their short arms in their very deep pockets to share the financial burden, yet now 27 countries are going to form an army. Who is going to put up the money, because going on past performance they might just actually have enough shekels to buy a nice limousine or two for the top bods to drive around the EU inspecting the vanity project.
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