David Davis demanded RAF plane for Brexit talks.
Sadly I don’t like cats. Although if they’re going by their other name there’s plenty of pictures of that on the internet as well.
As for DD using an RAF jet (back on topic), isn’t that what they’re there for? It’s a pretty slow news day if that is even a story.
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As for DD using an RAF jet (back on topic), isn’t that what they’re there for? It’s a pretty slow news day if that is even a story.
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I may be a Remainer but what I see here is a ridiculous attempt by someone to get some dirt splashed onto DD
It could be the Remain campaign or (just as likely) some of his close colleagues around the cabinet table.
As Bob V and other have said tht's what the planes' are there for
It could be the Remain campaign or (just as likely) some of his close colleagues around the cabinet table.
As Bob V and other have said tht's what the planes' are there for
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I may be a Remainer but what I see here is a ridiculous attempt by someone to get some dirt splashed onto DD
It could be the Remain campaign or (just as likely) some of his close colleagues around the cabinet table.
As Bob V and other have said tht's what the planes' are there for
It could be the Remain campaign or (just as likely) some of his close colleagues around the cabinet table.
As Bob V and other have said tht's what the planes' are there for
Presumably because if anyone else on board recognised the wretched Davis, who has all the reasoned bargaining power of a slimy secondhand car dealer, they'd have a few words to say to him?
Davis, Johnson and Gove - what a trio Mother MayDay has in her (temporary) government...
Barnier must have the patience of a saint to deal with DD!
Davis, Johnson and Gove - what a trio Mother MayDay has in her (temporary) government...
Barnier must have the patience of a saint to deal with DD!
Unless, of course, you have inside information, paricularly in your personal contact with Davis and his negotiating team. If so let's hear of your experiences with them, ( and your experience with slimy second hand car dealers! )
Meanwhile, let's just give Davis every support, he has one hell of a job, we can judge him when whatever deal is finalised. Like it or not he has been tasked with probably the most difficult negotiation since WW 2.
Pretty crass statement since we don't yet know just what has and has not been agreed with Barnier and Tusk and co.
Unless, of course, you have inside information, paricularly in your personal contact with Davis and his negotiating team. If so let's hear of your experiences with them, ( and your experience with slimy second hand car dealers! )
Meanwhile, let's just give Davis every support, he has one hell of a job, we can judge him when whatever deal is finalised. Like it or not he has been tasked with probably the most difficult negotiation since WW 2.
Unless, of course, you have inside information, paricularly in your personal contact with Davis and his negotiating team. If so let's hear of your experiences with them, ( and your experience with slimy second hand car dealers! )
Meanwhile, let's just give Davis every support, he has one hell of a job, we can judge him when whatever deal is finalised. Like it or not he has been tasked with probably the most difficult negotiation since WW 2.
**hat, coat**
It does look like a made-up story. His staff will submit bids to the comms fleet tasking and if a task line is available that would meet his timescales then he would get an aircraft and a cup of tea. If the bid was unsuccessful then he would have to travel civair.
My guess someone has changed the word 'bid' for 'demand' to make it look bad. The government pays for the service so it is quite right that it can make bids in accordance with the extant policy.
My guess someone has changed the word 'bid' for 'demand' to make it look bad. The government pays for the service so it is quite right that it can make bids in accordance with the extant policy.
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By contrast to the litany of threats and insults from the EU, so far DD has been a model of politeness. And that’s despite a barrage of catcalls and kazoo honking from individuals in UK desperate for negotiations to fail .
If you prefer, Corbyn has stated up front he (that’s WE!) will pay any price to avoid no-deal. Would you buy a used bicycle on those terms?
If you prefer, Corbyn has stated up front he (that’s WE!) will pay any price to avoid no-deal. Would you buy a used bicycle on those terms?
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What threats? what insults??
it's that clown Boris who goes round making threats..
we have a ZERO negotiating position - we're faced with no rise in incomes to beyond 2025 and companies are leaving the UK as fast as they can and these idiots think we can bluster our way through.........................
this makes opening the gates of Troy to a large horse look like a sane decision
it's that clown Boris who goes round making threats..
we have a ZERO negotiating position - we're faced with no rise in incomes to beyond 2025 and companies are leaving the UK as fast as they can and these idiots think we can bluster our way through.........................
this makes opening the gates of Troy to a large horse look like a sane decision
ShotOne, you're just repeating yourself now (#26).
You're missing the point - it's not about whether remainers would prefer DD or Corbyn. We would prefer not to be in this race to the bottom in the first place.
And as HH asks, what threats??
UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must settle your account and you will lose your access to the club facilities.
UK: STOP THREATENING ME!
You're missing the point - it's not about whether remainers would prefer DD or Corbyn. We would prefer not to be in this race to the bottom in the first place.
And as HH asks, what threats??
UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must settle your account and you will lose your access to the club facilities.
UK: STOP THREATENING ME!
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ShotOne, you're just repeating yourself now (#26).
You're missing the point - it's not about whether remainers would prefer DD or Corbyn. We would prefer not to be in this race to the bottom in the first place.
And as HH asks, what threats??
UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must settle your account and you will lose your access to the club facilities.
UK: STOP THREATENING ME!
You're missing the point - it's not about whether remainers would prefer DD or Corbyn. We would prefer not to be in this race to the bottom in the first place.
And as HH asks, what threats??
UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must settle your account and you will lose your access to the club facilities.
UK: STOP THREATENING ME!
UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must pay us a kings ransom or we won't even speak to you afterwards, and you will lose your access to the club facilities but we will still insist you live by all our rules, and we will tell you what you can and can't do with those horrible other people who are not in our club. We will not negotiate with you we will simply tell you what we want and you WILL do it.
UK: Sorry old boy, not interested. Negotiate or be damned ..
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As it happens, Mi26 I’d have preferred not to be in the race either. But we were both outvoted...by more people than have voted for anything in our nations history.
..and how can you accuse me of repeating myself then trot out the well-worn club tale. I’ve left several clubs over the years and never ever been presented with a bill. How much did the French pay when they left NATO?
..and how can you accuse me of repeating myself then trot out the well-worn club tale. I’ve left several clubs over the years and never ever been presented with a bill. How much did the French pay when they left NATO?
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Quotes from melmothtw:
"Sums up everything that is wrong with the Brexit mindset - the EU is not the Third Reich..."
The Fourth, perhaps?
"...and Europeans are not our enemy."
Quite, that would be the EU and its apparatchiks.
Quote from BEagle:
"One thing which Germany learned from the Third Reich era was that plebiscites are dangerously vulnerable to propaganda... [...] So it wouldn't have been possible to have held a plebiscite, such as Cameron's referendum, in Germany - because they are now illegal. While the mood of the people can influence, the constitution allows only the elected government to makes decisions on national policy."
The trouble with MPs is that they live in a parliamentary bubble and are "dangerously vulnerable", as you put it, to group-think.
To suggest that weary HMG ministers travelling on vital business of state should not be allowed to use military transport aircraft, where available, is outrageous. Reading the anti-British sentiments from several of the ex-RAF personnel on this thread begs the question of where their loyalties lay during their years in the service.
"I'll get my coat..."
"Sums up everything that is wrong with the Brexit mindset - the EU is not the Third Reich..."
The Fourth, perhaps?
"...and Europeans are not our enemy."
Quite, that would be the EU and its apparatchiks.
Quote from BEagle:
"One thing which Germany learned from the Third Reich era was that plebiscites are dangerously vulnerable to propaganda... [...] So it wouldn't have been possible to have held a plebiscite, such as Cameron's referendum, in Germany - because they are now illegal. While the mood of the people can influence, the constitution allows only the elected government to makes decisions on national policy."
The trouble with MPs is that they live in a parliamentary bubble and are "dangerously vulnerable", as you put it, to group-think.
To suggest that weary HMG ministers travelling on vital business of state should not be allowed to use military transport aircraft, where available, is outrageous. Reading the anti-British sentiments from several of the ex-RAF personnel on this thread begs the question of where their loyalties lay during their years in the service.
"I'll get my coat..."
I do not believe that anyone, be they Brexiter or Remainer, ex-armed forces or civilian, voted the way they did to be anti-British, quite the reverse actually.
Obviously people have different opinions on what is better for Britain, but that in no way, shape or form can be described as anti-British.
What a ridiculous and insulting statement to make.
Quote from Avionker:
"Obviously people have different opinions on what is better for Britain, but that in no way, shape or form can be described as anti-British."
Opinions are one thing. Characterising the referendum result and this government's stated intention to implement it as some kind of madness, and talking down the country's prospects - in line with most of our mainstream media - are unnecessary and unpatriotic. By all means criticise the government's Brexit strategy, and its negotiation skills. But talking up the EU's position in general and Barnier's performance in particular, while suggesting Britain's position is unreasonable and untenable - not to mention gratuitous, personal insults at our chief negotiator - are something else.
"Obviously people have different opinions on what is better for Britain, but that in no way, shape or form can be described as anti-British."
Opinions are one thing. Characterising the referendum result and this government's stated intention to implement it as some kind of madness, and talking down the country's prospects - in line with most of our mainstream media - are unnecessary and unpatriotic. By all means criticise the government's Brexit strategy, and its negotiation skills. But talking up the EU's position in general and Barnier's performance in particular, while suggesting Britain's position is unreasonable and untenable - not to mention gratuitous, personal insults at our chief negotiator - are something else.
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