David Davis demanded RAF plane for Brexit talks.
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You took the words out of my mouth.
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Thank goodness you and your like were either not around or seen off in 1940 - otherwise we would all be speaking German now.
For goodness sake man, the country has voted democratically to leave the wretched EU, it is about time you supported the choice!
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Thank goodness you and your like were either not around or seen off in 1940 - otherwise we would all be speaking German now.
For goodness sake man, the country has voted democratically to leave the wretched EU, it is about time you supported the choice!
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A 52/48 split based on lies misdirection and bull**** is not what I'd call democratic
The whole thing is a shambles and will send us into a huge recession to sate the needs of the little englanders......
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We who didn't want this will keep reminding you of this when we are an offshore tax haven with no NHS, schools or public services, a military that can fit every person into a tennis court and lots of homeless
But the rich will be fine
The whole thing is a shambles and will send us into a huge recession to sate the needs of the little englanders......
@@@@@@@ marvellous
We who didn't want this will keep reminding you of this when we are an offshore tax haven with no NHS, schools or public services, a military that can fit every person into a tennis court and lots of homeless
But the rich will be fine
Today it's David Davis, but it wasn't so long ago (well twelve years to be exact) that The Independent was complaining about Margaret Beckett the then Environment Minister who was given the sobriquet 'Air-Miles Margaret' for overusing 32 Sqn for her jaunts around Europe.
See here: 'Air-Miles Margaret' faces criticism for private flights | The Independent - "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"!
See here: 'Air-Miles Margaret' faces criticism for private flights | The Independent - "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"!
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Thank goodness you and your like were either not around or seen off in 1940 - otherwise we would all be speaking German now.
For goodness sake man, the country has voted democratically to leave the wretched EU, it is about time you supported the choice!
For goodness sake man, the country has voted democratically to leave the wretched EU, it is about time you supported the choice!
Just because others voted to push the self-destruct button, doesn't mean I have to support their stupidity.
Back on topic, not too long ago these pages were full of discussion about the utilisation of private charters for ministerial or royal travel and how it showed some 'lesser status'... it seems you can't win whatever you do.
Thank goodness you and your like were either not around or seen off in 1940 - otherwise we would all be speaking German now.
For goodness sake man, the country has voted democratically to leave the wretched EU, it is about time you supported the choice!
I didn't start this thread drift, but back on topic. If it's government business, I see no reason the RAF shouldn't be used.
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Whatever anyone’s views on the decision (must we really reargue it on every thread?) politicians will be travelling to Brussels to negotiate. Is our national interest served by sending them by mini cab?
And would those who object that it’s Tory ministers prefer their Labour counterparts (also committed to Brexit) went instead, when they’ve agreed in advance not to leave without a deal however ruinous the terms?
And would those who object that it’s Tory ministers prefer their Labour counterparts (also committed to Brexit) went instead, when they’ve agreed in advance not to leave without a deal however ruinous the terms?
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Sums up everything that is wrong with the Brexit mindset - the EU is not the Third Reich and Europeans are not our enemy.
If I am on a bus with 99 other people and 52 of those people vote to drive the bus off a cliff, I will not support that choice.
I didn't start this thread drift, but back on topic. If it's government business, I see no reason the RAF shouldn't be used.
If I am on a bus with 99 other people and 52 of those people vote to drive the bus off a cliff, I will not support that choice.
I didn't start this thread drift, but back on topic. If it's government business, I see no reason the RAF shouldn't be used.
Inanely repeating the cliff analogy doesn't make your sort right.
One thing which Germany learned from the Third Reich era was that plebiscites are dangerously vulnerable to propaganda. When the likes of Goebbels promised to restore national strength, of course a lot of people believed him - but they didn't know the true picture as they only had his propaganda and the bully boy enforcement activities of the Sturmabteilung breaking up opposition meetings to persuade them to vote for their new chancellor.
So it wouldn't have been possible to have held a plebiscite, such as Cameron's referendum, in Germany - because they are now illegal. While the mood of the people can influence, the constitution allows only the elected government to makes decisions on national policy.
The propaganda, spin and lies of the likes of Johnson, Gove and Davis hoodwinked many into voting as they did, because they weren't given the true picture - as is now becoming ever more obvious.
As for Davis using RAF corgi-carriers to take him to various meetings? Only if the door-to-door time is critical should that be acceptable, provided that the government actually pays the true cost of such flights.
So it wouldn't have been possible to have held a plebiscite, such as Cameron's referendum, in Germany - because they are now illegal. While the mood of the people can influence, the constitution allows only the elected government to makes decisions on national policy.
The propaganda, spin and lies of the likes of Johnson, Gove and Davis hoodwinked many into voting as they did, because they weren't given the true picture - as is now becoming ever more obvious.
As for Davis using RAF corgi-carriers to take him to various meetings? Only if the door-to-door time is critical should that be acceptable, provided that the government actually pays the true cost of such flights.
provided that the government actually pays the true cost of such flights.
'Different budgets', I believe is the expression.
Back when VVIPs used the VC10 for overseas jaunts, the Foreign Office only repaid a fraction of the true cost - so for every such flight the MoD budget suffered a loss.
Perhaps it's different now?
Back when VVIPs used the VC10 for overseas jaunts, the Foreign Office only repaid a fraction of the true cost - so for every such flight the MoD budget suffered a loss.
Perhaps it's different now?
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I have a cunning plan to transport him on the cheap and bring back some of the RAF's finest
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P66-Pembr...MAAOSwX3FaEvGQ
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P66-Pembr...MAAOSwX3FaEvGQ
You'll have to forgive my 'sort', Willard. We tried using complex arguments but that didn't work, so we're now reduced to repeating inane analogies.
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I'm not a Pilot, Nav or NCA. Aircraft flies Pax from A-B, Pax gets to where he needs to be. Crew get ticks they need to stay current. I would prefer to fly a route than circuits at some same old airfield. The frame must have a monthly allocation to use, so why not use it for what it is intended for?
I would have thought military transport for the Minister and the team negotiating Brexit would be fully justified on counter intelligence grounds alone.
I quite like DD as a chap who pulled himself to high office by his own bootstraps:
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I quite like DD as a chap who pulled himself to high office by his own bootstraps:
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This story was lifted from Tim Shipman’s new book on Brexit. He claims it was a Civil Service v Davies spat and Davies had to go direct to the PM. No suggestion that the RAF or 32 objected in any way. Being cynical it sounds a good story whatever the facts and Shipman wants people to buy his book!
Has to be a '146 as they got rid of all the '125s didn't they? Course if they'd kept some Jetstreams he'd be welcome to use one and serve him right.
Could take a leaf out of the book of certain 'Royals' living at Bagshot and Windsor Great Park who usually use a chartered civil bizjet (up to 8 seats) when flying from Farnborough.
Could take a leaf out of the book of certain 'Royals' living at Bagshot and Windsor Great Park who usually use a chartered civil bizjet (up to 8 seats) when flying from Farnborough.