New big German-French Fighter Bomber under development
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“Control platform for UAV’s...” Seriously? Why would one spend a trillion dollars for something which could be done from a portakabin?
AW&ST: .......”The Franco-German fighter, details of which first emerged in July during a meeting of the Franco-German council of ministers, would feature “enhanced capabilities” in terms of range, persistence, electronic warfare, survivability, situational awareness and weapons capability. Artificial Intelligence would also play a major role, the officials said.
Airbus has begun detailing its take on the German requirements with a family of manned and unmanned platforms in which the manned aircraft act as command-and-control platforms. Swarming fleets of unmanned combat air vehicles carrying sensors, jamming equipment and weaponry could be launched by Airbus A400M airlifters and directed into action by the fighter jet.
“Fifth-generation aircraft will have to do some [command and control], and if you operate four of them together, you can achieve some air superiority,” says Antoine Noguier, head of strategy at Airbus Defense and Space. “This [future] fighter needs to go beyond that, with a combination of low-observability and long range; it will need to crunch data internally to provide local and distributed [command-and-control] perspective on other effectors.”
Open software architectures to allow easy upgrading of onboard systems and a directed-energy weapon were also necessities for the new aircraft, Noguier says.”.......
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In the UK, if one forgets (thankfully) about BAe, the only company with design and construction capability is Bombardier.
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But if LM manages to replace every F16 in the world with export versions of F35A, then the unit cost of that variant will be very much lower than the Bs or Cs, and the programme cost would be far lower than developing a different replacement from scratch.
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Correct, everyone wants to be friends now. I guess the Germans have learned their lessons though. If they are gonna pay, they want what They need in time, at budget. No NH90/ Typhoon kind of multination/ industries drama's. The French they can use, the rest can be second tier supplier / customer.
Correct, everyone wants to be friends now. I guess the Germans have learned their lessons though. If they are gonna pay, they want what They need in time, at budget. No NH90/ Typhoon kind of multination/ industries drama's. The French they can use, the rest can be second tier supplier / customer.
No large defense program has ever come in on budget or on time afaik.
The normal experience in the US used to be 100% overrun, some much worse.
Here the challenges are well above average, so experience would suggest well above average delay and cost growth as well.
My personal preference is for small and agile, not expensive and capable of all, just the task at hand.
If it means UAV's that's fine, we're leaving the realm of pilot capability with extreme speed and G forces, so let's have tiny tactical stingers, capable of supersonic speed and with the ability to mount an array of weapons, defensive or offensive.
There are spotty kids out there that may be the generation we need if a global war were to break out, not aircraft nd crew costing squillions of pounds that won't be able to get to their targets.
If it means UAV's that's fine, we're leaving the realm of pilot capability with extreme speed and G forces, so let's have tiny tactical stingers, capable of supersonic speed and with the ability to mount an array of weapons, defensive or offensive.
There are spotty kids out there that may be the generation we need if a global war were to break out, not aircraft nd crew costing squillions of pounds that won't be able to get to their targets.
We're now in the real of total fiction imho.
No large defense program has ever come in on budget or on time afaik.
The normal experience in the US used to be 100% overrun, some much worse.
Here the challenges are well above average, so experience would suggest well above average delay and cost growth as well.
No large defense program has ever come in on budget or on time afaik.
The normal experience in the US used to be 100% overrun, some much worse.
Here the challenges are well above average, so experience would suggest well above average delay and cost growth as well.
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They may also be thinking about export markets (the French will for sure)
The F-35 is too expensive and probably restricted, the F-22 is out of production and REALLY restricted and any F-22 replacement will be unbelievably expensive and never exported.
Anything Russian or Chinese is relatively unreliable and not competitive (yet)
A lot of countries will be faced with replacing all those F-16's, F-18's F-15's, MiG 29's & Mirages and quite a few of them are not poor and will be serious regional players by 2030-2040
The F-35 is too expensive and probably restricted, the F-22 is out of production and REALLY restricted and any F-22 replacement will be unbelievably expensive and never exported.
Anything Russian or Chinese is relatively unreliable and not competitive (yet)
A lot of countries will be faced with replacing all those F-16's, F-18's F-15's, MiG 29's & Mirages and quite a few of them are not poor and will be serious regional players by 2030-2040
Seriously, I don't think there is a single customer out there who will replace F-16s with F-35 on a one-to-one basis. For most, perhaps all, export countries the eye-watering cost of the F-35 has lead to a cut in overall aircraft numbers when compared to their F-16 fleet. Even if the unit price were similar the bespoke and expensive facilities needed to support the F-35 have made quite a dint in the budget.
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could feature “enhanced capabilities” in terms of range, persistence, electronic warfare, survivability, situational awareness and weapons capability. Artificial Intelligence would also play a major role, the officials said.
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It does look very much like a two seat F22 though
It does look very much like a two seat F22 though
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Though I do wonder if it will cost as much as the
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It does look very much like a two seat F22 though
It does look very much like a two seat F22 though
