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Swedish AF Herc display

Old 31st Oct 2017, 12:11
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For those of the above contributors who post some sort of plaudits for the various quoted demo's, may I suggest you offer yourself to the various services who have to deal with the (inevitable) aftermath of such stupidity! Those of us who have, will look at these examples and ask WHY? Other than brief public episodes of self-gratification and 'willy-waving', they serve no useful purpose and records show the toll in human life they involve. The potential problems associated with aviation are sufficiently numerous without adding to them.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 17:18
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Nice bit of air-to-air camerawork in the OP's video. I particularly liked the view down on the Khe San. Ground-based camera work was okay, although the cameraman did appear to get a little distracted at one point...

On a similar theme, I was crowd front + centre when the Italian G222 crew over-cooked it at RIAT and collapsed the nosewheel. I recall a Herc was bugled up from Lyneham to do a couple of low-level flypasts to keep the crowd entertained while the organisers figured out how to remove the bent & scratched a/c.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 18:05
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Originally Posted by H Peacock
Whilst there were clearly supervisory issues, the C17 and B52 'display' loses were primarily caused by some fairly basic pilot mishandling!
....like flying outside the limitations of the aircraft and flying unauthorised manoeuvres!!!
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 19:12
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General Comment:

I am SO relieved to see so many folks agree with the sensible view.

I reported a Families Day flypast (Falcons) at Lyneham pointing out the aircraft rolled to well over 100° bank (filmed).

The SH1T hit the fan and it was explained to me (as an OCU instructor) that a barrel roll exerted 1 g all the way round. I responded that I presumed Lockheed knew that too. I asked how many pilots have the requisite skill - no answer.

But once more, there was tacit approval of unauthorised manoeuvres all the way up the corridor - so why bother eh? The pilot in this case was known as a bully (very similar name) and I was assured that it would be dealt with 'in house'.

More bollocks . . . nothing happened.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 19:19
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Thanks BWM -
Does anyone here think a Stn Cdr - let alone an AOC - would have authorised that display?
To be fair to the Swedes, display culture has changed greatly since the late 80s.
With not knowing a word of Swedish, the first time I watched it I was waiting for the accident to happen.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 19:53
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One of the most impressive big aeroplane displays ever, was flown by a well-known SAAF DC-4 pilot at the SAAF's 50th anniversary of the Harvard:


Note the double asymmetric, gear down, flap down sequence.....
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 21:35
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....like flying outside the limitations of the aircraft and flying unauthorised manoeuvres!!!
Well I was referring to the most basic of handling errors by flying too slowly for the applied load factor (g) and stalling! I don't know the max AoB for the C17 or the B52, nor what was authorised, but suspect control of both aircraft was lost somewhat before they got to their maximum observed AoB.
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 09:34
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Other than brief public episodes of self-gratification and 'willy-waving', they serve no useful purpose and records show the toll in human life they involve.
Hear, hear, or is that here, here? Get rid of the "Reds" and save a bucket of cash to boot.
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 19:22
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The C17 was as a result of an ‘aggressive turn’ which led to a stall warning which the crew ignored and attempted to continue the manoeuvre. I don’t doubt that this was not the first time that the Captain/crew had elected to ignore a stall warning or fly an overly aggressive turn. Rather than a failure in basic handling, I think this was a result of what is called ‘deviation of the norm’ - the crew had been allowed to get away with this by the supervisory chain in the past, leading to these tragic results.

Role demo’s should be just that! For a Herc, this could involve some sort of Tac take off/landing. For an E3, well, let’s not go there suffice to say it won’t be very dynamic!

Brian May -it’s not just you, and I know which Captain you refer to!!
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 21:53
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Other C130 display videos are available:

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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 00:44
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Not "spins C130's"

Originally Posted by tartare
Those Swedes need to harden up.
The RAAF spins C130s.
The RAAF spun one C130A inadvertently during a stall demo when the NTS action caught the drew out. The aircraft, A97-207, was recovered.
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 19:04
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Reference Posts No 24 and 29.

I believe that the display pilot in question 'was dealt within house' by promotion and latterly becoming a Station Commander.
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 21:02
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Quite correct Dean....had you left 24 by the time he was back as staish?
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Old 3rd Nov 2017, 10:33
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Originally Posted by DeanoP
Reference Posts No 24 and 29.

I believe that the display pilot in question 'was dealt within house' by promotion and latterly becoming a Station Commander.
. . . . and they wondered why the hierarchy had little/no credibility. What an obnoxious bloke he was.

His speciality when I flew with him (Flt Lt, until I un-volunteered) was kitty-drinking, with him getting twice as much as everybody else . . .

Enough . . .
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