Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Gulf War 1 - what were YOU injected with?

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Gulf War 1 - what were YOU injected with?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11th Oct 2017, 15:30
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Erewhon
Posts: 474
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Gulf War 1 - what were YOU injected with?

Just sorting out loads of old paperwork from the loft, I found my old Personal Medical Record (B/Med/27 (Rev)).

I found the record that I was injected with Anthrax and Pertussis on 14 Jan 91 . . .

I had to Google Pertussis and it turns out to be Whooping Cough vaccine.

NAPS went down the toilet in theatre as blinding headaches and the sh1ts were not conducive with flying long days.

Has anyone got any different injections? I never went back for the next lot. Wonder how they mixed with all the Yellow Bombers we were taking.

Just curiosity and I'm not 'doing' anything about it, but am interested.
Brian W May is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2017, 16:23
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sneaking up on the Runway and leaping out to grab it unawares
Age: 61
Posts: 684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Pertussis was used as an adjuvant, and is very probably one of the causes of some of the 'Gulf War Syndrome' symptoms. Several articles have been published in the scientific journals indicating that it can lead to increased and prolonged intestinal hypersensitivity.

IIRC Yersinia pestis vaccine (Bubonic plague) was also offered along with cholera, meningitis, rabies, tetanus, typhoid fever and botulinum.

The 'yellow bombers' were Temazepam, taken in order to gain undisturbed sleep.

Last edited by ExAscoteer; 11th Oct 2017 at 21:16.
ExAscoteer is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2017, 17:51
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 428
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I remember having the first anthrax jab, probably about the 14th Jan too. I wasn't expecting to have it and wasn't totally convinced about it so didn't have the next two doses. I took the NAPS for a while as they didn't cause me any problems. I don't know about the Pertussis. I don't have my medical record.
Vendee is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2017, 17:57
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: uk
Posts: 1,013
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Also something called 'cutter'.
deltahotel is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2017, 20:15
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Warrington, UK
Posts: 3,833
Received 72 Likes on 28 Posts
Took the injections that were on offer, and didn't have any problems with NAPS.
MightyGem is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2017, 22:33
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Poole, Dorset
Posts: 132
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
I kept my Personal Medical Record (B/Med27) on discharge in case I developed a condition attributable to these injections having had them all. So far no adverse reactions.

I did find that I was injected with what appears to be 'Haurix A UHA066A6' in October 1992. Anybody know what this might be?

In my B/Med27 I also found a chit that we had to carry certifying that 'he is not suffering from Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome'. The Saudis must have been a bit paranoid about AIDS.

Last edited by DeanoP; 12th Oct 2017 at 08:53.
DeanoP is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 01:18
  #7 (permalink)  
TWT
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: troposphere
Posts: 831
Received 29 Likes on 15 Posts
Havrix is a vaccine against Hepatitus A
TWT is online now  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 14:17
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New Braunfels, TX
Age: 70
Posts: 1,954
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
All US citizens who entered the gulf area received the following vaccinations:
yellow fever, typhoid, cholera, hepatitis B, meningitis, whooping cough, polio, tetanus

Most troops (including pilots) also received Anthrax and many Botulinum toxoid vaccinations.

There's lots of research ongoing on the link between Gulf War syndrome and vaccinations. There is currently insufficient data to either link or rule out vaccinations as a causal factor of Gulf War Syndrome.
KenV is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 15:02
  #9 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Erewhon
Posts: 474
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KenV
All US citizens who entered the gulf area received the following vaccinations:
yellow fever, typhoid, cholera, hepatitis B, meningitis, whooping cough, polio, tetanus

Most troops (including pilots) also received Anthrax and many Botulinum toxoid vaccinations.

There's lots of research ongoing on the link between Gulf War syndrome and vaccinations. There is currently insufficient data to either link or rule out vaccinations as a causal factor of Gulf War Syndrome.
Thanks Ken, I watch with interest . . .
Brian W May is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 16:03
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sneaking up on the Runway and leaping out to grab it unawares
Age: 61
Posts: 684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KenV
There's lots of research ongoing on the link between Gulf War syndrome and vaccinations. There is currently insufficient data to either link or rule out vaccinations as a causal factor of Gulf War Syndrome.

That may well be the case specifically with linkage to GW1, but there is a whole raft of published data going back at least a decade before the conflict showing that multiple vaccinations of live inactivated or heat killed whole bacteria over a short period of time causes numerous symptoms and may, in the worst cases, overwhelm the host immune system.
ExAscoteer is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 20:53
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Anglia
Posts: 2,076
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Anthrax, Pertussis and Botulism appear on my records too. NAPS didnt have any effects on me (My friends got quite some wind of it though and we renamed it Not A Pleasant Smell!) BATS was a short-lived thing 'cos I saw what it was doing to others.
Rigga is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 21:22
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sneaking up on the Runway and leaping out to grab it unawares
Age: 61
Posts: 684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With my degree background I took one look at what they were trying to do with the vaccinations and told the medics to foxtrot oscar in fully fine pitch!

They tried hauling me over the coals until pointed out that they didn't have a leg to stand on and that they should peruse QRs.

Tamazepam just ****** me up, I got no sleep, just bad dreams, a headache and the shakes, so that was a no no.

NAPS - ah yes, gave me the squits, shakes, and a hangover type headache. After a few days I decided that a few beers could give me the same (if lessor) symptoms, so they got chucked down the loo!
ExAscoteer is offline  
Old 12th Oct 2017, 22:59
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Sky
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DeanoP
The Saudis must have been a bit paranoid about AIDS.

They were very paranoid - thousands of liberalised westerners, male and female, entering their pure and clean land. A relative was a deployed RAF Sgt medic and given the task of meeting Saudi's request of giving everyone entering the country an "AIDS test". Given the potential social and career implications of a random test coming back positive, his test was simply to ask everyone he saw "Have you ever had AIDS? Yes/No? Next".....

I should add that was for Op Granby.
YellowTom is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2017, 05:10
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mars
Posts: 527
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I got one in each limb in Aug 90, all at the same time. Cutter, Anthrax, Cholera and Tetanus plus a Polio sugar lump. It took time to find out what Cutter was. Initially I was told it was classified but I pointed out to the doc he had just stuck Anthrax in my other leg so how bad could it be? Cutter was Bubonic Plague.

I suspect Gulf War syndrome may have come from the total overload of vaccines; I was lucky...I hope.
Schnowzer is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2017, 14:22
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Cambs
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Prior to a deployment to Iraq post GW1 I was required to have Hep B and cholera jabs. I had the Hep B but the SMO advised he wold rather treat cholera than give the jab, just don't drink the water! I'm sure at Butterworth in the 60s we had a cholera jab every six months.
Slow Biker is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2017, 15:15
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: over the rainbow
Age: 75
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As a 7 year old I had quite a few needles poked into my arms before travelling to Malaya where my father had been posted. The pain did not end there. A year later in Malaya, I tripped and cut myself on some rusty piece of metal. I was treated to a second tetanus vaccine. Unlike the jabs in the UK, the Royal Air Force medic in Malaya administered that one posteriorly.

Happily none of jabs stunted my growth.
roving is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2017, 16:32
  #17 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Erewhon
Posts: 474
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Remember on a Tristar flight deck talking with Brize's SMO who asked me how was my experience with NAPS.

I told him I'd flushed them down the toilet, he informed me it was a court-marshal offence. I replied okay, but either I fly or I sit on the bog with a headache and besides he'd need to court marshal most of the aircrew I knew as they'd all done the same. I didn't hear any more regarding THAT subject.

As time goes on, I'm convinced that flushing them away and refusing all other injections was the correct course of action. As an aside, when I read accounts of the Hooligans in the Gulf, they too had done the same.

Thanks for your responses.

PS The chap that sent me a PM with a suggestion, noted Chris, thanks.
Brian W May is offline  
Old 15th Oct 2017, 02:07
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ACT, Australia
Age: 63
Posts: 500
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
At Ice Station Kilo I recall asking for information on any possible side effects from having the anthrax jab. That information was not forthcoming so i refused point blank to have it, I recall I was one of many who refused.
Skeleton is offline  
Old 15th Oct 2017, 12:20
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: One Three Seven, Disco Heaven.
Age: 65
Posts: 2,535
Likes: 0
Received 29 Likes on 16 Posts
Originally Posted by DeanoP
The Saudis must have been a bit paranoid about AIDS.
When I went to work in Saudi in 1990, an AIDS test was mandatory. Don't know if they still do.
Dan Gerous is offline  
Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:44
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 257
Received 6 Likes on 3 Posts
Most of the above. I asked the SMO if anybody had calculated the cumulative effect? He said no.
Top West 50 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.