RAF Poseidon - Not too long to wait?
Once upon a time all maritime patrol aircraft had a MAD boom. Now the main players dont seem to think its a requirement. Have other sensors improved sufficiently that specifying an aircraft that can fly low enough to use a MAD is superflous or is it just down to cash ( or plastic submarines :-) )
Once upon a time all maritime patrol aircraft had a MAD boom. Now the main players dont seem to think its a requirement. Have other sensors improved sufficiently that specifying an aircraft that can fly low enough to use a MAD is superflous or is it just down to cash ( or plastic submarines :-) )
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Once upon a time all maritime patrol aircraft had a MAD boom. Now the main players dont seem to think its a requirement.
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Imagine Libya without a single AAR bracket and the ability to make yourself a brew and take a p1ss in a toilet on the way home?
RAAF will acquire 15 P-8A's plus Harpoon and new generation weapons with 11 external hardpoints under fuselage and wings plus a weapons bay. It has in-flight refuelling capability.
FRom RAAF website:
FRom RAAF website:
The P-8A is built specifically as a military aircraft. It is based on the proven commercial designs of Boeing's 737-800 fuselage, but has been substantially modified to include:
An internal fuel capacity of almost 34 tonnes allows the P-8A to conduct low level anti-submarine warfare missions at a distance of greater than 2,000 kilometres from base. The P-8A will be compatible for air-to-air refuelling with the KC-30A MRTT.
- a weapons bay
- under wing and under fuselage hard points for weapons, and
- increased strengthening for low level (down to 200ft) operations and high angle turns.
An internal fuel capacity of almost 34 tonnes allows the P-8A to conduct low level anti-submarine warfare missions at a distance of greater than 2,000 kilometres from base. The P-8A will be compatible for air-to-air refuelling with the KC-30A MRTT.
Once upon a time all maritime patrol aircraft had a MAD boom. Now the main players dont seem to think its a requirement. Have other sensors improved sufficiently that specifying an aircraft that can fly low enough to use a MAD is superflous or is it just down to cash ( or plastic submarines :-) )
You may find that both MAD and a sniffer isn't needed on the P-8A There are said to be sound reasons for this. I guess one of which is that the P-8A standoff sonar system and weapons. As well as working with the MQ-4 etc. Those that know why there isn't a MAD, are comfortable with the idea.
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Temp Danger Areas in the Dover Straits for drones carrying out 'Maritime Surveillance' until Mar 2020; is that when the task will be taken over by Posiedons?
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^^ I don't mean to sound patronising Chev, but I think it is pretty obvious what type of "maritime surveillance" is being conducted by drones in the channel, and I doubt the Poseidon would be the optimum platform (cost etc) for that type of close inshore role in the future. I would imagine/conjecture that a number of the roles us old jack of all trades Nimrod chaps/chapesses used to do, will now be conducted by other platforms - including drones - going forwards and thank **** for that frankly as some of those jobs were as boring as ****.
Given the number of aircraft/crews, I would again speculate that the P8 will stick to its core LRMP roles and training for them.
Given the number of aircraft/crews, I would again speculate that the P8 will stick to its core LRMP roles and training for them.
With the original heading of RAF Poseidon - not too long to wait, I am delighted to see that the first flight of the first RAF P8, exclusively by an RAF crew took place yesterday as part of the aircraft acceptance programme. All looking good at this stage for arrival at Kinloss (Lossiemouth bolthole) in Feb 20.
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MAD on the P8, why have the Indians got it? Have they got less of an 'acoustics suite', do they not have the 'hush-hush' non acoustic sensors that make it obsolete? Don't they have Multi Statics or are they 'just not as good as us?' Was it a political/cost decision to exclude it from our aircraft? I'm not going to give away my background, but the step from the Mk1 Nimrod to the Mk2 ON DAY ONE was an improvement (apart from the CAMBS!). The step from my last platform to the P8 was several decades back. Nothing to do with politics or company spiel, just an operator. Stand off sonar? Are we talking Littoral or 'Blue water', cos I'd love to see your clear RF channels in the Littoral environment at altitude!(even if they occupy 50% of the original bandwidth.) Please forgive me if you think that I'm not glad we're getting the P8, at least this is a foot in the door and the seedcorn guys have got something to go back to. As for the Sarbe/Autolocus switch argument... grow up.. I doubt many of you were around on the MK1 days to have even seen it! And if you were
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Lots of interesting public domain info out there:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ne-sonar-soks/
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/0...ubmarines.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ne-sonar-soks/
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/0...ubmarines.html
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You may find that both MAD and a sniffer isn't needed on the P-8A There are said to be sound reasons for this. I guess one of which is that the P-8A standoff sonar system and weapons. As well as working with the MQ-4 etc. Those that know why there isn't a MAD, are comfortable with the idea.
"MAD on the P8, why have the Indians got it?"
Perhaps because they have different challenges to the RAF in the N Atlantic - their "targets" are (maybe) afew, noisy, Chinese SSN's and whatever Pakistan, Iran and Burma have as submarines.
Slightly different from the challenge faced by the UK I'd have thought
Perhaps because they have different challenges to the RAF in the N Atlantic - their "targets" are (maybe) afew, noisy, Chinese SSN's and whatever Pakistan, Iran and Burma have as submarines.
Slightly different from the challenge faced by the UK I'd have thought