RAF Poseidon - Not too long to wait?

[Bigpants]

Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?

[weemonkey]

Originally Posted by Bigpants

Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?

I believe they are based on something called NG and as such does not have the dnditg system.
However, as I stated earlier the 737 line up is also under the looking glass re recovery procedures that do not or cannot work....

[TBM-Legend]

RAAF P-8's and E-7's are operating just fine...no talk of anything negative about them. NG's are not Max model..

[Union Jack]

Originally Posted by safetypee

For the ‘reggi spotters’, ZP801 MRA Mk1; or a sense of ironic history from a MOD minion.
The Nimrod prototype was the HS type / design number 801.

Or perhaps even a deferential nod towards 801 Naval Air Squadron....😁

Jack

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by Bigpants

Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?

"The MOD has decided that as the Poseidon will operate largely over water that great savings can be made by NOT buying the extremely expensive and complex "DNDIG" option... we would of course consider a DNDIH2O option but this is not available at this time"

[betty swallox]

Originally Posted by SASless

Sorry....but the "epic moment" was when the RAF got out of the MPA business when they binned the Nimrods.

Thank you Sasless. I think we all understand that. But it’s hard to disagree that this was a very good day for the UK MPA Force.

[Asturias56]

It was THE stupidest decision taken in that series of cuts

lets just say better a reformed sinner etc etc

[Not Long Here]

Originally Posted by betty swallox

In case you missed it!

ZP801, the first Poseidon MRA Mk1 flew for the first time yesterday. An epic moment for the UK’s MPA Fleet.

Congratulations on the start of the road to getting a capability back on track. The UK has a great team in the US.

We shouldn't be that far behind you.
Cheers, NLH

[betty swallox]

Cheers! Looking forward to it!!

Asturias. Yes. But there we go. All well covered in detail here over the years since 2010. Time to move on.

[Asturias56]

I know, I know... still doesn't make it any better TBH................

[tucumseh]

"It was THE stupidest decision taken in that series of cuts"

Not if you understand why. The stupid decsion was to carry on after the end result was predicted in the mid-90s.

[Asturias56]

Lets not go down THAT story Tuc .................................... it's all too awful ................

[betty swallox]

All. This has been done to death before.

This thread is about P-8/Poseidon MRA Mk1.

[Chugalug2]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

Lets not go down THAT story Tuc .................................... it's all too awful ................

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it! THAT story needs repeating until it is accepted and finally acted upon. Otherwise it won't just be an MPA fleet we are short of but an entire air force!

It wasn't cuts that grounded the Nimrods but unairworthiness. The only cure for that is an independent Regulator and Accident Investigator, both of the MOD and of each other. The lack of which cost UK Military Aviation the ability to ensure its airworthiness, and it goes on costing both in lives and treasure.

[tucumseh]

Asturias56

I posted because this is the second thread currently running that is revising history on the reason for Nimrod MRA4 cancellation. I agree it's about P-8 and, despite this being a rumour site, there are certain facts that need reminding given a few recent posts.

[Asturias56]

I know, I know and I agree with you

But we don't need to repeat the whole horrible story (MRA4, Hadden Cave, HSE................ a disgraceful record even by the low standards of the UK MoD) over and over - it comes up every 3 months or so on here so it isn't forgotten

[Chugalug2]

Originally Posted by betty swallox

All. This has been done to death before.

Over 100 at the last count. It is as though a third officer on the Titanic, in charge of a promenade deck, derided talk of a bunker fire raging since the ship was delivered and seriously compromising the vessel's structural integrity. "Never mind about all that, I've got deck chairs to rearrange!".

The first P in PPRuNe stands for Professional. We really should be doing better, shouldn't we?

[A and C]

Originally Posted by Bigpants

Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?

Any pilot flying a Boeing 737 variant needs to be aquatinted with the “Rollercoaster” it is the only way of dealing with massive out of trim condition that can occur if the stabiliser trim runs away.

[Wander00]

Sounds like early days of the Canberra and trim runaway

[RandomBlah]

Originally Posted by A and C

Any pilot flying a Boeing 737 variant needs to be aquatinted with the “Rollercoaster” it is the only way of dealing with massive out of trim condition that can occur if the stabiliser trim runs away.

Not true. All the pilots need to do is recognise the situation and then complete the Stab Trim runaway memory items that are taught on any NG type rating. Even if the trim runs away at the higher of the e trim speeds available this happens relatively slowly and allows more than enough time for recognition and action.