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RAF Poseidon - Not too long to wait?

Old 5th Dec 2019, 13:21
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Sorry but a sub is a sub, oceanography is oceanography, noisy Chinese SSN, Pakistan and Burma, sorry Bud, but I've spent more time on top of Russian nucs than you've had hot dinners. An acoustics operator
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:25
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Sorry but a sub is a sub, oceanography is oceanography, noisy Chinese SSN, Pakistan and Burma, sorry Bud, but I've spent more time on top of Russian nucs than you've had hot dinners. An acoustics operator
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 16:09
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My hero...
You have a sheltered life. My money is that the UK wanted off the shelf, the cheapest ticket to the show. Subs are mainly made with steel, so hot or cold water they are exactly the same, but saving a $m or 2 is my guess.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 08:19
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Possibly to keep as similar a fit as possible to the US? They don't bother with MAD on the P-8 - I seem to remember some discussion at the time it first flew on this but they answer seemed to be it wasn't going to spend much time at low level IIRC.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:50
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So did the Nimrod.
But Nimrod could shut down 2 engines to loiter; try that with Posiedon
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 14:05
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ISTR it was tried with all four engines shut down
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 14:37
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Thought it was three?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 18:01
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
But Nimrod could shut down 2 engines to loiter; try that with Posiedon
Shutting down an engine on a modern jet hurts fuel burn and time on station. If you shutdown all engines, fuel burn is impressive but time on station becomes horrid.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 11:33
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Sorry, 37 years in ASW and I can't think of a single 'comfortable' idea! Autolocus, yes, that was a suspicious premise on day one of my first OCU. The Indians have deemed that MAD is necessary, 'Those that know'. what a wonderful phrase that is, it assumes that any contrary view is null and void, not worth looking at. I can't go into my background, but I'm really getting hacked off with people who should know better. I can understand if you've taken 'the company $', but please, leave the rest of the Kipper Fleet out of your justifications.
'Those that know' was a new US personnel to the P-8. I have no reasons to doubt him. He clearly stated this on a USN forum. If you had a classified brief on the P-8. You are welcome to call him out.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by bigsmelly View Post
The first link mentioned [email protected] Some 20 years ago the Aussies mounted their depth sounding [email protected] on a US P-3. It would be interesting to see where this tech has reached.
https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/innov...h-sounder-lads


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Old 7th Dec 2019, 14:13
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Party Animal! Great post. Lovely to see some positivity on here.

The first flight took place at NAS Jax on Wednesday. A mix of 54 Sqn and CXX aircrew. I heard that the flight went swimmingly, with no issues. Fantastic to see an RAF roundel on an MPA again!!

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Old 8th Dec 2019, 07:51
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God knows we've waited long enough to see that idiotic policy finally laid to rest..................
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:16
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Great effort, mate. Back in the game!

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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:53
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Originally Posted by betty swallox View Post
Party Animal! Great post. Lovely to see some positivity on here.

The first flight took place at NAS Jax on Wednesday. A mix of 54 Sqn and CXX aircrew. I heard that the flight went swimmingly, with no issues. Fantastic to see an RAF roundel on an MPA again!!

SWIMMINGLY is possibly not quite what one needs from an MPA!
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 13:12
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You have a sheltered life.
I was being sarcastic

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Old 30th Jan 2020, 18:47
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First RAF P8 arriving at Kinloss on the 4th Feb between 13.00 and 15.00, according to a post on Fighter Control.

https://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/for...56031#p1156031
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 18:57
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One is due for the show at Fairford, according to todays press release.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 19:32
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For Surplus:
Let me offer you a couple of ideas on why the US P-8 might not have a MAD boom on it.
They are going to leave the MAD (or other) hunting circles to the helicopters, under the operational theory that the open ocean or GI/UK gap scenario that we grew up with in the Cold War (when you had all of that contact time) isn't how the requirements document for P-8 was written.

FWIW: the MH-60R does have MAD. (The MAD reeling machine's on the starboard side of the helicopter, just as it was on the SH-60B and the SH-60F).
MAD is a localization tool more than a search tool.

I have some friends (P-3 guys) who used to loved to do MAD traps in a P-3; but in a combined force ASW op, rather than "one plane by itself", they tended to leave low level stuff to the rotary wing assets.Better air space deconfliction that way, and for that matter the P-3's tended to try and stay ahead of the problem ... with their on station time/range/speed advantage over ships and helos, they could.

So why would the Indian P-8 have MAD?

I'll take a SWAG on that: their operational concept includes more frequent instances of the P-8 as a solo ASW platform who needs that localization tool for the mission environment that the Indian Navy envision. And maybe some of the (other) stuff isn't in their equipment suite just yet.
As I am not in the Indian Navy, the above is a guess.
There could be other reasons.

Decision by UK in that regard have already been covered.

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Old 30th Jan 2020, 22:02
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First RAF P8 arriving at Kinloss on the 4th Feb between 13.00 and 15.00, according to a post on Fighter Control.
So after all that, it is going to be operated by the Army????
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 23:27
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So after all that, it is going to be operated by the Army????
No, it is going to use Kinloss until Lossiemouth is ready to accept the aircraft later this year.
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